VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Midareyukki]

Nope. I just said the difference is I don't want to celebrate everytime they do a tiny thing that should be expected of them, while you are fine with doing that (while simultanously critiquing them). I just want to ONLY critique them. That is all. That is the difference. And that was all I said.

Issue is it felt like you were insinuating that that's what we do. Celebrate when they do a tiny thing.
Which we don't. Because that would be ignoring the context of why we're happy to begin with. And if anything, it just shows exactly how sad the situation really is.
Again: we're happy because they finally did one thing right after 3 years. Too bad that it was the absolute bare minimum. But it does still beat the absolute sh*tshow on April 1st.
The issue I have is people only saying "it was the bare minimum!" when that's what we were told to expect for us. Meanwhile, if any other race had the bare minimum, the community would band together and hound SE for it.

Theyre dropping new hairstyles 3 years after our release and viera and hrothgar cant even get brand new crap getting added to work for them. Why? If you have to work on new crap for 6 races, add the other two as well.

Even then it depends on the content.
Hairstyles are mostly a "one race fits all" sort of deal with minor adjustments here and there to fit. Why they haven't done so for a while or why Viera aren't having the same treatment as Miqo'te did is beyond me. Only Hrothgar requires a fair amount of tweaking, as realistically it's the same model across every race. Just scaled down or up to fit the race.
Equipment is technically made for 3 races. They have to adjust Hyur stuff for Miqo'te, Viera, Elezen and Au Ra a bit but the model's treated as the same, and the game adjusts innately. Then you have Roegadyn and Hrothgar who share a body type. And then you have Lalafell.
Basically, "working on new crap for 6 races, add the other two as well" sounds really weird when you consider that most of the stuff they make for other races is really just "the same as Hyur, but adjusted to fit". And half the time they don't even adjust jack, it just looks awfully stretched out.

[Midareyukki]

"Well each hrothgar face is really slightly different"- wow and my heart bleeds for the dev team that made that dumb decision in the first place, it really does. But stop treating your players like afterthoughts first mkay?

Here's a funny thing XiRon:

Yoshida admitted before that the dev team uses Agile Software Development, which splits the process into cycles called Sprints. In a very barebones napkin explanation of what Sprints are, you basically define all the stuff you want to do, then you do it, and each new Sprint is a new version of the software because once you finish a Sprint, you loop back around and improve on what was previously established. On and on, until you meet the goal you've set, which usually is the final version ready to be released.

So not only did Creative Business Unit 3 collectively decide on a very different race with very unique demands, they designed it and tweaked it... and you want me to believe at no point people stood up and said "Guys, this race is not like what we're used to"?
At no point at all? Someone designed this, someone approved this, someone made the models, someone implemented the models and each step had to be approved by someone. Really, no one thought "this race is problematic if we keep working like this and change how we approach it"?

Hrothgar as a race needs to stop being blamed for its own shortcomings. Sprints are designed so that at whichever step, if you find a hurdle, you have time and are capable of readjusting the plan to fit your needs. It's in the name: AGILE Development. What the devs are showing is a clear lack of agility. Sure, they may have their reasons... but just because they have reasons, like obstacles, it doesn't excuse these races being this continuously piss-poor. Especially not after so long.
The devs were the ones who agreed on making a shoddy race, it's not the race's own fault. If it is any harder to make a Hrothgar than it would be any other race, then they should have noticed it and allocated more time and resources to focus on their most ambitious race. But they did not, and have not for three years.

All to the detriment of the players that a) didn't even ask for this race, unlike Viera which was implemented due to fan demand (and ironically are also suffering from lack of care), and b) have proven to support and enjoy playing it.

And before any other dumb person shows up and says "well, clearly people play it, so it's fine", yeah people also stuck with 1.0 until the end. It's how we have videos of the last 11 minutes and all that. It didn't stop it from being sh*t and need fixing, did it?

[Caro178]

They didn't change anything, idk why people keep trying to spread misinformation about stuff you can just literally unpack and see for yourself.

Their head shape is pretty much in line with the miqote one as well.

I am a console player. I can't see or unpack anything. I am repeating something that was said by the team during multiple liveletters pre Endwalker regarding both male and female Viera and their restrictions. Perhaps I did not use the exact right terminology or quote them exactly and I apologize for that but I am not trying to spread misinformation. I watched the liveletters when they aired.

[HollowedDoll]

I am a console player. I can't see or unpack anything. I am repeating something that was said by the team during multiple liveletters pre Endwalker regarding both male and female Viera and their restrictions. Perhaps I did not use the exact right terminology or quote them exactly and I apologize for that but I am not trying to spread misinformation. I watched the liveletters when they aired.

Fair enough, didn't mean to come of as hostile.
Just tired of seeing people repeat stuff that is blatantly false as gospel, and yeah maybe they said something regarding it in the live letter, but that unfortunately is not reflected in reality.

[Caro178]

Fair enough, didn't mean to come of as hostile.
Just tired of seeing people repeat stuff that is blatantly false as gospel, and yeah maybe they said something regarding it in the live letter, but that unfortunately is not reflected in reality.

It's okay, I understand. This thread is long and I'm sure there have been myriad discussions about what the devs have and haven't said. I wish I had the quotes for myself but it was all a while ago now. Basically they said male Viera were made without restrictions in mind and female Viera were adjusted as well. Thus far we've only had one hairstyle added to the game and a gender locked one at that. It does function on Viera, however. I read a few pages back that the new styles are flagged for all races but Viera but the files also don't seem to be complete and this second male ponytail wasn't in the files at all. They seem to be two different hair files (rewards from Island Sanctuary) so I would be surprised if they were also gender locked. Who knows tho, gamemakers are weird.

[ameliaw]

Hoping that we'll get Yshtola's hair and this hair I'm wearing on my miqote.
I think that if we do, I might finally stop fantaing away from Viera

[ReynTime]

Now if only they made Hrothgar ears stop being made of freaking rock compared to Miqo'te ears.

[Skivvy]

Now if only they made Hrothgar ears stop being made of freaking rock compared to Miqo'te ears.

Aaahhh, if only. And even just looking at Miqo'tes...the guys have more expressive ears than their female counterparts.

Viera ears bounce a bit when you run (not sure if this is true for all types), but that's pretty much it. Do Hroth ears move at all? Ear physics would be so cool. ._.

[ReynTime]

Aaahhh, if only. And even just looking at Miqo'tes...the guys have more expressive ears than their female counterparts.

Viera ears bounce a bit when you run (not sure if this is true for all types), but that's pretty much it. Do Hroth ears move at all? Ear physics would be so cool. ._.

I don't think they do. Because of how they decided to model the ears as part of the base model of the bodies.
Even if it's too late to ask... why did they model them that way? That was some serious lack of foresight.

[Skivvy]

I don't think they do. Because of how they decided to model the ears as part of the base model of the bodies.
Even if it's too late to ask... why did they model them that way? That was some serious lack of foresight.

If only I had a nickel for every time I've muttered that phrase regarding XIV..... :P