RIP SAM - no reverts planned for 6.2

[Reese_Clairdale]

Ageha is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it when the enemy is at <20%, better remove it.
Seigan is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it after mitigating an attack, better remove it.
Kaiten is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it before Iaijutsu, better remove it.
Meditate is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it when you can't hit the boss, better remove it.
Hakaze is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it before Jinpu, Shifu, and Yukikaze, better remove it.
Etc.

A line has to be drawn somewhere. Shallow justifications can be used to remove any skill in the game, that does not mean it is a good idea or that players should accept it.

[AnotherPerson]

Ageha is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it when the enemy is at <20%, better remove it.
Seigan is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it after mitigating an attack, better remove it.
Kaiten is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it before Iaijutsu, better remove it.
Meditate is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it when you can't hit the boss, better remove it.
Hakaze is not essential to the rotation, all you do is press it before Jinpu, Shifu, and Yukikaze, better remove it.
Etc.

A line has to be drawn somewhere. Shallow justifications can be used to remove any skill in the game, that does not mean it is a good idea or that players should accept it.

I mean, I'd agree, but look at what happened to healers. Everything removed but 1 DoT, 1 attack button, and 1 AoE. And now it's been 2 expansions. We can say SCH's Core Rotation of using DoTs like Bio II + Miasma + Bane was essential to its DoT gameplay while healing, but now it just has became Broil IV spam and Art of War spam.

So... is Kaiten essential? While SAM preserves most of your core rotation and SCH lost everything besides just Energy Drain optimization? It's hard to say where that line is really drawn anymore.

If anything, it can get worse. Reduced to just Yukikaze spam.

[Kaseladen]

I mean, I'd agree, but look at what happened to healers. Everything removed but 1 DoT, 1 attack button, and 1 AoE. And now it's been 2 expansions. We can say SCH's Core Rotation of using DoTs like Bio II + Miasma + Bane was essential to its DoT gameplay while healing, but now it just has became Broil IV spam and Art of War spam.

So... is Kaiten essential? While SAM preserves most of your core rotation and SCH lost everything besides just Energy Drain optimization? It's hard to say where that line is really drawn anymore.

If anything, it can get worse. Reduced to just Yukikaze spam.

While I know its not your intention, I don't think "It can get worse" is an inspiration to draw from

[AsiTsurugi]

I mean, I'd agree, but look at what happened to healers. Everything removed but 1 DoT, 1 attack button, and 1 AoE. And now it's been 2 expansions. We can say SCH's Core Rotation of using DoTs like Bio II + Miasma + Bane was essential to its DoT gameplay while healing, but now it just has became Broil IV spam and Art of War spam.

So... is Kaiten essential? While SAM preserves most of your core rotation and SCH lost everything besides just Energy Drain optimization? It's hard to say where that line is really drawn anymore.

If anything, it can get worse. Reduced to just Yukikaze spam.

The point of this discussion thread is not a race to the bottom, rather to point out the hypocrisy and general lobotomized playstyle that incompetents like Yoshida and his "dev team" are capable of. It is also not a thread where we need to fight one another, pointing out how much worse one's condition is compared to the other; rather, we should be directing our criticism and indignation over the situation of the classes we love at the incompetents who ruined it.