It's time to revaluate paper crown battlementors

[angienessyo]

For me it's been best to wait a wipe or two before giving advice in mentor roulettes. In the past, sprouts would either get defensive or upset with me for spoiling a mechanic if I tried to open with it. So I learned to just let them experience the fight a little, see if they figure it out, and if not I can help out. It also helps new players to have actual context for a mechanic before getting an info dump on it. If people still get defensive when you try to help after it's been a few wipes, there's really not much else you can do. I've fortunately never had anyone get hostile towards me for being a mentor though and I really only see the "mentor bad" attitude on here and reddit, never in game.

[LeonKeyh]

Wtf that's NOT how adventurer in need works.

Stop spreading out misinformation.

What did they imply that AiN does? AiN gives rewards each time the roulette is run with no limit. The rewards definitely aren't "great" but it still helps queues fill faster by rewarding the roles that are needed more. It motivates people doing the roulette for the first time for the day to play the role that is needed and gives a small reward if people want to rerun any queues.

Edit: Though, it's typically fairly incorrect. I can't tell you how many times Tank has been AiN and I've queued up for a few seconds, backed out, and queued as healer and instantly popped. I realize that it does that "check" every minute or so, but the amount that it is "wrong" like that (even when it JUST checked) is crazy.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

For me it's been best to wait a wipe or two before giving advice in mentor roulettes. In the past, sprouts would either get defensive or upset with me for spoiling a mechanic if I tried to open with it. So I learned to just let them experience the fight a little, see if they figure it out, and if not I can help out. It also helps new players to have actual context for a mechanic before getting an info dump on it. If people still get defensive when you try to help after it's been a few wipes, there's really not much else you can do. I've fortunately never had anyone get hostile towards me for being a mentor though and I really only see the "mentor bad" attitude on here and reddit, never in game.

I've never been in any mentor roulette and I loathe to imagine myself doing it. But my approach is very similar to yours: wait for $hit hits the fan before giving tips, because at least at that point the wipe informs them that their initial approach does not work and require abit of assistance.

[Jojoya]

Wtf that's NOT how adventurer in need works.

Stop spreading out misinformation.

If Adventurer in Need isn't intended to fill queues faster, what purpose do you think it serves?

Stop being dumb. Trying to fill queues faster is exactly why Adventurer in Need exists. The random match algorithm notices that X role is the last to be filled in the parties created. It assigns that role to Adventurer in Need to encourage more players to queue in that role.

Because the algorithm seems to update only once every 5 minutes, a lot of time it appears to be "wrong" about what's needed. Actually it had been correct at the time of the last update and it's so effective that players switched to that role, making a different role the now needed role. A lot of times when I'm ready to queue, I'll just use the other role (healer if tank listed, tank if healer listed) knowing there's a good chance it will have a faster queue because too many are trying to get the bonus. I don't really care about the bonus, I just want the faster queue.

Mentor roulette is far less effective in filling queues because not enough mentors actually make use of it.

[Bobby66]

Wtf that's NOT how adventurer in need works.

Stop spreading out misinformation.

How does it work then?

[ICountFrom0]

How does it work then?

It dosen't work by filling EX, savage, or any other black listed content, and as that's the function of mentor roulette, it is not a replacement.

Adventurer in need helps remove congestion from an existing roulette by saying, what was in need, when this function ran, about every 5 minutes. (I've been told if there is nothing "in need" it picks randomly, I don't know how to test this, so I say it as a side comment without confirmation or denial).

So you still need both.

AiN in order to make existing roulettes work better, and mentor to fill in the intentional gaps in the other roulettes, and as a last desperate failsafe. (and mr does gain from AiN as well).

Lets look at one of the points of overlap, guildhest roulette. Que for 10 or latter in the guildhests, and ask folks if they came in from guildhest or mentor, check the results. Look at the rewards for guildhest roulette, and the AiN for it. Think about what you COULD end up in if it goes to the bad, yes, those 3.

Most people won't que into Guildhest because of that risk, even if it's AiN, then it falls back to mentor, where it's so MILD and TAME that folks are glad to get it.

[kevin_satron]

alright, why not this way

Battle mentor but for each class, like Tank Mentor, Healer Mentor, And (range, melee, caster) DPS Mentor. Make them separate with same requirement, 400 instanced dungeons and 25 ex trial (current expansion) for each classes, and 1500 commendations. And if you do get all of them, you will get the Battle Mentor like what we have now.

[LaughingBanana]

People expecting Mentors to be these all around perfect players who know about all the mechanics in all the content perfectly and can always perform perfectly in all of them all the time just make me laugh.

[Neoyoshi]

I wonder what the Japanese players think of all this?

[Jojoya]

People expecting Mentors to be these all around perfect players who know about all the mechanics in all the content perfectly and can always perform perfectly in all of them all the time just make me laugh.

I don't think most people are expecting mentors to be perfect players.

But we do expect them to be helpful to the best of their ability. A mentor who's a WHM but can't be bothered to heal in an Alliance raid (which I saw the other day, people in the party kept dying because they were too busy making noise in chat as they spammed stone to heal anyone) is not being helpful to the best of their ability.

Perhaps the situation is better on the JP worlds. On the NA worlds, it's a mess.