New Moonfire Faire disappointing glamour

[Jaquan]

I'm a Thighlander so I enjoy showing off the goods, but I'd much prefer the shorts or even a short sarong style skirt instead of another bikini.

It really implies that all the previous Moonfires came with Bikinis which is weird considering that for last 4 years only one did. Considering that at least in the realm of possibility for a newer player there are at least for where I am (Post SB, level 70 crafter) only two pieces of that (craftable Moonfire and Coeurl) I won't say no to another in a different style to those

[Iscah]

It really implies that all the previous Moonfires came with Bikinis which is weird considering that for last 4 years only one did.

"Once in the last four years" doesn't count when two of the last four years didn't have any kind of glamour legwear.

The issue isn't objectively how many bikinis exist as glamour, but how many times when there is beach glamour it is assigned along fixed gender roles – and for that matter, the same logic being applied to other equipment.

In fact, on further thought they used to be more equal about it, and both genders got equally skimpy beach outfits – and now the male outfits have turned more comfy and covered-looking and the female version hasn't changed in the same way.

[Clover_Blake]

The issue isn't objectively how many bikinis exist as glamour, but how many times when there is beach glamour it is assigned along fixed gender roles – and for that matter, the same logic being applied to other equipment.

Could it be because the majority of people like it that way?
I for one don't care about the male long trousers, and very much prefer being given a cute bikini for my female characters. I have the feeling it's just a noisy minority complaining and dictating how everyone else should feel.

I'm sorry if anyone personally doesn't like the glamour for any reason, but it's impossible for something to be liked by everyone. I certainly don't throw a fit whenever they release glamours I don't like for my characters.

[Iscah]

Could it be because the majority of people like it that way?
I for one don't care about the male long trousers, and very much prefer being given a cute bikini for my female characters. I have the feeling it's just a noisy minority complaining and dictating how everyone else should feel.

I'm sorry if anyone personally doesn't like the glamour for any reason, but it's impossible for something to be liked by everyone. I certainly don't throw a fit whenever they release glamours I don't like for my characters.

The frustration comes from the fact that in some areas, they are recognising that people want to access "the other gender's" outfit style, and putting work into making those designs equippable by everyone.

And then we get this new glamour where they only put out one single item that drastically changes according to gender, when all they need is to give us separate "beach shorts" and "beach briefs" items so everyone can choose. You can have your bikini, and my character can have cute summery patterned shorts, and the person who wants their male character wearing speedos can have that too.

[Clover_Blake]

The frustration comes from the fact that in some areas, they are recognising that people want to access "the other gender's" outfit style, and putting work into making those designs equippable by everyone.

And then we get this new glamour where they only put out one single item that drastically changes according to gender, when all they need is to give us separate "beach shorts" and "beach briefs" items so everyone can choose. You can have your bikini, and my character can have cute summery patterned shorts, and the person who wants their male character wearing speedos can have that too.

But that would equal to making 4 glamours instead of 2. It's double work and double effort. We can't ask for such a thing so lightly as if it were nothing.

When you can only make 2, it's only normal they'll try to make the two that most people might want to see.

[Iscah]

But that would equal to making 4 glamours instead of 2.

No it isn't. I'm not asking for everything else to be duplicated – the other pieces aren't really different anyway, besides the necessity of men's vs women's shirts (so it actually is gendered versions of a single top, whereas the bottoms are very different items).

All I want different is a second option for legwear – and I don't think there's that much extra model to build for those anyway. They'll already have a model for women's pants and men's briefs that they can add the pattern to.

[GeminiReed]

But that would equal to making 4 glamours instead of 2. It's double work and double effort. We can't ask for such a thing so lightly as if it were nothing.

Not nothing but the level of effort is something that can be handed to an intern.

Note that I'm making an assumption: The shorts look like they share the same geometry (shape) as existing pieces (eg. Pagos Gaskins). The hard parts of implementing gear are creating the shape, animating it, creating depth maps, and mapping the texture (patterns and colors).

All of that's been done so all they need to do is fit the texture to the female geometry. In many cases no adjustment is needed. Similarly the bikini texture can be applied to any of the existing speedo models.

But, it may not be "effort". They've cried poverty before over putting things into the armoire. Yet more code in desperate need of a refactor if not rethink.