The feeling of beeing Home ...

[Silverbane]

I'm more of a tea person, coffee is very bad for your long-term health.

I have no respect for someone who doesn't follow the science.
Study after study has shown the long-term health benefits of drinking coffee.
Stop spreading disinformation.

[Rulakir]

Yoshi-P's concern was that if he dragged out the Ascian/Garlean plot for too long it would become stale and people would believe it's never going to be resolved.

I felt the Ascian storyline didn't gain momentum until ShB, so for it to be concluded within the next expansion felt extremely rushed. I'd only just gotten invested. Now it's done and I have as many or more questions than I did before EW despite the expansion supposedly having answered everything.

Not to mention that I hadn't been interested in anything story wise since 3.3 and I was completely enthralled with the Ancient history of the world. Now I definitely feel there is no story 'hook', especially as the "new adventure" seems to be everything returning to the status quo despite Yoshi-P in pre-EW interviews making it sound like the end of 6.0 was going to have us stranded and alone somewhere (to the point I recall he had to clarify that wasn't going to be the case).

This is also aside from the fact that after EW I have no confidence they can appropriately handle a "conflict of values" story arc, so it's beyond simply finding the current trajectory dull it's outright being concerned where it's headed in the future.

[Fiel_Tana]

Am I the only one who has no feelings for the Story of this Game anymore?

Before Endwalker I was interessed in Garlemald, the Ascians, the Ancients, maybe even the Twelve. I have read every single Text of every Quest, did Side Quests, Beast Tribes not for the Rewards, just for the Story. Explored Maps, Dungeons, Raids. I had the feeling I was part of Eorzea, I felt like Home.

Then came Endwalker and suddely all the Story before got trashed or changed akwardly. After that damage was done, after Garlemald got destroyed completly offscreen. All the Ascians, the Ancients got killed in the Name of Hydaelyn ... there is no Foe left. All that is left is the 0815 Scions.

As you've seen with this thread, there are many of us extremely disappointed in EW and for many different, but similar reasons.

Some people will say you "just didn't understand it", "didn't pay attention" etc. to try to shut you up about EW. Please don't take their anger and dismissive words to heart. They may feel defensive if something they love and identify with isn't spoken of with glowing admiration... that's their issue, not yours.

[SannaR]

Hoo boy, this again. Seems like we can't swing a stick without hitting half a dozen threads about how the game sucks these days.

I don't get why people keep paying for a game they don't enjoy. Seems silly. But hey, do whatever you want, it's your money to burn.

I doubt we will see the end of them. For how else will the devs know that part of the playerbase is dissatisfied with the story? If they stop posting their insistent, abrasive, aggressive, highly opinionated (meant to be seen or taken as fact) threads?

By the twelve I loathe the down time between patches and partly wish for more necromancy and our residential troll posting poor quality but fairly obvious bait threads. Oh wait I shouldn't have used all of those adjectives about how all of these posts come off as cause I might come off as gatekeeping or whatever. Where were all of these threads when everyone and their sheep plushy were making 5+ threads a day by those who didn't want to continue the debate in the other 4+ threads because their voice might get drowned out or whatnot if they replied on page 78.?

[Treesus]

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I called it bait because it legitimately seemed it. Extremally badly argued issues are a common thing on here. Its not hard to find it happening daily. If you dont want to be called bait, put in effort. As your original post was set up, it was poorly worded, poorly explained, and left a large amount of questions as to why this is a complaint NOW, vrs why this hasent been a complaint for however long you have been playing. Im not saying your opinions are wrong, and even go out of my way to say that in the wall, so good on ya for again, ignoring that, and acting mad with "So other opinions as your own, are Bait Posts now?". Write well worded complaints, or be labeled as such. Onto the reply, that first point needs alot more definition then what your giving it. "a lot of things makes no sense anymore, cause they got changed last minute or never meant a thing cause Yoshi wanted to get rid of the old things ..." how so? Very little seems to be changed last minuet in the game to me. Its overall is a cohesive plot that has callbacks to even ARR plots and comments. If this is your opinion, Id ask for specific points to be discussed, because as is its just a "it seems bad to me" which is impossible to argue back and forth with. Next point "The Scions are a bunch of boring yes sayers", actually true. I dont think this nesscarly is a bad aspect, but understandable to those who would want more inparty conflict of some sort. However, in your original post, you never bring this aspect of them up as being an issue BEFORE endwalker, and as stated, they have been this way for AGES. At best you did a bad job of explaining how youve either simply tolerated this aspect, or your mind recently changed on it, at worst your opinion changed and you retroactively disliked them, painting it as a "new" problem when it simply isent, at least not on an overarching scale. As for the last paragraph, I enjoy the story. Theres bits I like, bits I dont, and bits I outright hate. Its not perfect, and anyone saying so should be taken with a grain of salt. However, just as its bad to overly like the story, there are those who overly hate it. If all your hear for IS the story, and now you hate the story, a best scenario is simple leaving. I dont say that to be dismissive, nor do I say it to be mean. Its simply unhealthy to stay with a game that simply isent for you anymore. The scions overall are a mixed bag. I like some, dislike others. Its perfectly valid to dislike aspects of them. But if you want to talk about why you do or dont like them, you do need to be more concise with it. People on the forms cant read your mind. If you dont type it, we dont know it. And in a place where bait post saying "eww game bad" are numerous and plentiful, it can become hard to tell someone just having a hard time explaining their issues with the game from some smoothbrain baitposter trying to rile up the masses.

[AwesomeJr44]

I have no respect for someone who doesn't follow the science.
Study after study has shown the long-term health benefits of drinking coffee.
Stop spreading disinformation.

I typed Coffee into Google and got a bunch of search results stating that too much caffeine/coffee is bad for you and is addictive. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...e-side-effects

I swear, "Follow the science" and "disinformation" are only used by people in denial about getting swindled into believing utter nonsense these days.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I typed Coffee into Google and got a bunch of search results stating that too much caffeine/coffee is bad for you and is addictive. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...e-side-effects

I swear, "Follow the science" and "disinformation" are only used by people in denial about getting swindled into believing utter nonsense these days.

I typed "coffee health benefits" into a search engine and got an article on why coffee may have health benefits. Yes, too much of anything can be bad for you, but to present only one side of an argument is also disinformation.

[Treesus]

I typed "coffee health benefits" into a search engine and got an article on why coffee may have health benefits. Yes, too much of anything can be bad for you, but to present only one side of an argument is also disinformation.

People actually trying to give fair and balanced information about articles that both agree AND disagree with their opinion? Impossible. Its an online form. Your expecting WAY to much from them lol.

[Skivvy]

I am constantly impressed by people's willingness to bicker over everything.

But for fun, I too did a Google search. In fact, I did two!

1) "Benefits of coffee". Top result:
Boosts energy levels. ...
May be linked to a lower risk of type 2 diabetes. ...
Could support brain health. ...
May promote weight management. ...
Linked to a lower risk of depression. ...
Could protect against liver conditions. ...
Supports heart health. ...
Could increase longevity.

2) "Negative side effects of coffee". Top result:
Restlessness and shakiness.
Insomnia.
Headaches.
Dizziness.
Fast heart rate.
Dehydration.
Anxiety.
Dependency, so you need to take more of it to get the same results.


It's almost like you can find different answers depending on how you phrase your search. And all sorts of websites will pop up to help further 'prove' how right you are! The internet is kinda weird like that. I'm gonna need some long-term studies linked, and several of them, before I can crown a winner in this argument.

[Silverbane]

I typed Coffee into Google and got a bunch of search results stating that too much caffeine/coffee is bad for you and is addictive.

"Too much" of anything is bad for you, by definition of "too much."
That doesn't mean that it isn't good for you in moderation.

I swear, "Follow the science" and "disinformation" are only used by people in denial about getting swindled into believing utter nonsense these days.

The "utter nonsense" is trying to refute the studies that show that coffee confers long-term health benefits by citing articles about how "too much" coffee is bad for you. Drinking too much water is bad for you, too, but that doesn't mean it isn't beneficial in general.

So stop spreading disinformation about coffee, it's off topic anyway.