Is it time for a second Dragonsong War?

[thegreatonemal]

Just one thread without this argument…

Hopefully people will forget about it once 6.2 goes into full swing

[Iscah]

Now my question is, if someone were to reveal to Hraesvelgr, currently, that Hydaelyn had a tracker on the bird for over 13,000 years, wouldn't that spark a 2nd Dragonsong War, this time of all dragons against all non dragons?
-Hydaelyn knew the ascians were not the real enemy, yet had the dragons pit against them and sacrifice countless of their children to them
-Hydaelyn knew the dragons were capable of interstellar travel, as much as they were probably not immune to the song of the end, she could at least fashion some protection, let's call it the blessing of light, or echo, that protected them against turning into monstrosities
-Whatever the Omicrons did to the dragons, it would be at least comparable to what the Allagan Empire and the Heavens' Ward did to them, and while the Omicrons were at least evil and did it for a reason, the ascians who machinated all these atrocities against the dragons weren't even the real enemy

As EaraGrace already covered, most of the battles that the dragons fought on Etheirys had nothing to do with Hydaelyn's pact with Midgardsormr, and instead were direct feuds between the Meracydian dragons and the Allagan Empire, and later Nidhogg and the Ishgardians.

Additionally, Midgardsormr is here in the first place because he fled his home star, ultimately because of Omega, but apparently it was under the combined assault from both the Omicrons and Meteion's despair. Even if Hydaelyn knew that was what he was fleeing, and could tell him where Meteion was hiding, that doesn't mean he would want to try to face her. He and his children are safe here, his home world is already destroyed, and he probably isn't capable of fighting Meteion anyway.

For all we know, maybe she did tell him and he wasn't interested in going.

(Am I remembering right that one of his children told us he described Etheirys as the last bastion of hope, or something to that effect? That would suggest he at least knows that the rest of the universe is lacking Zodiark's protection, which would further suggest that he also knows what Zodiark is providing protection against.)

That's an interesting point; I've never really thought about why Alex never gets brought up here like that. I personally don't blame it because it was always thinking in terms of its own drain on aether; no matter what happened, it was always the problem, so Alexander can never act to prevent anything except itself. Even then, you would've thought that it could've used the time it was incontrovertibly, unavoidably alive to give us some useful info like 'carry white auracite more often', 'pose some guards around Asahi's corpse', or 'don't trust a word a woman named Misija ever says'.

Alexander isn't really the direct-communication sort, but those bits of advice aren't necessarily useful anyway (except re. Misija perhaps). The Scions seem quite aware by now that they want auracite on hand whenever possible, and Urianger seems to be regularly producing new ones. And as for Fandaniel, firstly if he doesn't possess Asahi then he'll probably just find someone else, and secondly - as you said - it may be that it ultimately is just part of the precise path of events that will lead us to Meteion and successfully resolving the whole thing.

Yeeeeeeaaaah, ngl I really was thinking Endwalker would have... I dunno, just more regarding the lore they told us to pay attention to and go back and play (namely, Ishikawa told us to replay the Coils and Omega). I defs thought there was something off when instead of using the literal Ragnarok that was already present in the Coils and gift-wrapped for us by the long-dead Allagans instead of Sharlayan's Normandy SR-II clone.

I think playing those quests supported the lore we get in Endwalker while maintaining the "no direct follow-on unless the quest is mandatory for MSQ beforehand" rule.

The Binding Coil is key family history for the Leveilleurs and also for your own relationship with Alisaie. It also means you've seen the original Ragnaroks (which don't seem particularly ready to use) to get that callback.

And being familiar with Omega just means you're going to get a lot more recognition out of its appearances in Ultima Thule. The first clues I had of what was going on there were recognising the Omega-style architecture in the fort and then looking around and realising that this was the ruins of Midgardsormr's world as shown in the Alphascape battle with him.

And then of course there's getting to the Omicron base and recognising the architecture on a large scale, so you start connecting the dots with it, instead of it probably looking completely alien and unfamiliar to a non-Omega player.

It also establishes that Midgardsormr is currently sleeping off the encounter with Omega, not just absent for reasons unknown.

Also, per the dragons it seems like a missed opportunity to me that Middy didn't wake up or even stir at all in the presence of members of his people he didn't know personally.

Midgardsormr was never in the presence of unfamiliar dragons to my awareness. Are you thinking he's still travelling with us? His consciousness has withdrawn to Silvertear Lake and the minion is just decorative now. He says that when he leaves us in the Omega quests.

[Cilia]

Hopefully people will forget about it once 6.2 goes into full swing

The usual suspects are still up to it on General, so I doubt it.

[Rannie]

(Am I remembering right that one of his children told us he described Etheirys as the last bastion of hope, or something to that effect? That would suggest he at least knows that the rest of the universe is lacking Zodiark's protection, which would further suggest that he also knows what Zodiark is providing protection against.)

Yeah Vrtra (atleast that's who I believe said it.) said it after we saved everyone from the Tower of Zot before he told us to take heart and protect our friends. Same cutscene even since Y'shtola asked him if he or Midgard knew what started the final days.

[Cilia]

Yeah Vrtra (atleast that's who I believe said it.) said it after we saved everyone from the Tower of Zot before he told us to take heart and protect our friends. Same cutscene even since Y'shtola asked him if he or Midgard knew what started the final days.

The only thing we can say for certain is that Midgardsormr is aware most if not all other worlds in the cosmos were dead or dying when he made his journey to Etheirys, not whether or not he knows why that is the case or why Etheriys was the exception.

[Rannie]

The only thing we can say for certain is that Midgardsormr is aware most if not all other worlds in the cosmos were dead or dying when he made his journey to Etheirys, not whether or not he knows why that is the case or why Etheriys was the exception.

Let me rephrase then when Vrtra asked Midgard why that world midgard told Vrtra because it was the last hope. And Vrtra said that to the scions. As in confirming that one of middys children said that during the story.

Didn't mean to imply the stuff about zodiark I just get lazy when it comes to editing quotes while on a cellphone.

But yeah there was no reason except it was the last hope that was said to Vrtra when he asked

[Necrotica]

Are there still dragons left alive?

Yes?

Then yes we need another Dragonsong war.

[SeiyaSoiya]

Wait so how was escaping etheyris using the moonbunnies ship the last resort plan if everywhere in the universe is unprotected from zodiark

[Cleretic]

Wait so how was escaping etheyris using the moonbunnies ship the last resort plan if everywhere in the universe is unprotected from zodiark

Keep in mind that Venat doesn't exactly have omniscient knowledge of all events in the universe; she probably doesn't know that Meteion's been taking her toll on all the other civilizations, too. All she knows is 'other civilizations exist out there, and a lot hit bad ends, but that still means other planets are habitable'.

However, it's still not a plan without benefits even with our knowledge; even if no planet is immune, Etheirys is being very specifically targeted by Meteion, to a degree so precise that its moon is spared. Traveling to another planet actually would avoid the worst of it, even if it wouldn't avoid all of it.

[Zero-ELEC]

Keep in mind that Venat doesn't exactly have omniscient knowledge of all events in the universe; she probably doesn't know that Meteion's been taking her toll on all the other civilizations, too. All she knows is 'other civilizations exist out there, and a lot hit bad ends, but that still means other planets are habitable'.

However, it's still not a plan without benefits even with our knowledge; even if no planet is immune, Etheirys is being very specifically targeted by Meteion, to a degree so precise that its moon is spared. Traveling to another planet actually would avoid the worst of it, even if it wouldn't avoid all of it.

We also know from the new Omega quests that there's pan-galactic civilisation with a galactic language that are able to send messages to space, and from the Hildibrand questlines we know that aliens like PuPu exist. It's not all dead outside of Eitheirys.