Who is excited for harder 4 man content?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Almost every time I see a complaint about "evil elitists" on these forums and they have logs on "that site", they're not just making mistakes and learning, they're borderline griefing their groups, were 100% in the wrong and have the entirely wrong attitude to team based content.

One more to the list: never enter and/or actively avoids said content but thinking they know better about what was actually going on in the playing field.

[Rilifane]

One more to the list: never enter and/or actively avoids said content but thinking they know better about what was actually going on in the playing field.

Especially when it concerns PF.
It's great to see someone never touching Ex/ Savage going on about how PF is a cesspool of toxicity where people demand logs to let you even join and such - and yet the reality of no-lifing PF for an entire expansion before and during unlock and partly progging another tier in PF is that people make a group, list their strats in the comment, people join, someone posts a macro, people claim their positions and maybe ask a question or two about how to handle a mechanic and then you pull.
You'll probably wipe a couple of times, someone makes a joke about warm up or "we almost had it, good prog" if someone had to insta-wipe it and unless you have a party full of leechers that got carried through their first kill, you'll most likely kill it sooner or later. If you have leechers, chances are that they will be the ones complaining about someone messing up or lack of dps after an enrage wipe.
9 times out of 10 it was the person being the problem that complained about the group not being good enough and ended up leaving, getting replaced, rinse and epeat.

PF has its issues, especially the wildly varying quality of players.
But this apparent rampant toxicity with everyone and their cat flaming you for logs, gear, "not super optimized gameplay" is a boogeyman made up by people that never even touched endgame content. Stating it over and over again doesn't make a baseless assumption into a fact.

It's just starting to sound like some people want to play the victim at all costs and flag everything remotely difficult as fostering toxicity and elitist behaviour before it even released by using examples of content they don't even touch and can't know firsthand what's going on there and ignoring the ToS on top of that. And this is why I will continue to dismiss the claims of "everyone will lord it over others and flame them and laugh at you for not even doing it!!".