Can we go back to banning people for ERP crap?

[Juyira]

I don't think 18+ is exactly an indicator of ERP either. I've seen some that just want to weed out minors so they're not hanging out with a bunch of adults.

[Shibi]

a lot of roleplayers, both non-erp and erp, don't like the fact that someone can lie about their age and don't want to deal with that if it's the case, and it makes it easier to kind of... vet who they may be playing against.

I don't care what people do in private. But I am genuinely curious about this logic.

* Kids can and do lie about their age
* Lots of roleplayers don't want to play with kids in those settings
* Putting 18+ on the door vets them to makes sure they are not kids?

[Renalt]

Puts on his wizard hat and robe...

[JennytheJester]

I think it serves as more of a liability thing for people if children lie about their age and in the weird event it leads to court or something since they can't really hold you accountable if you had absolutely no knowledge. That's the only reason I could guess.

[LianaThorne]

I think it serves as more of a liability thing for people if children lie about their age and in the weird event it leads to court or something since they can't really hold you accountable if you had absolutely no knowledge. That's the only reason I could guess.

They'll still side with the minor in a court case, even if said minor lied because its still an adult having inappropriate relations wjth a minor at the end of the day. The responsibility falls on the adult to be sure they're actually engaging with another adult. It's sort of like:

Judge to minor: You're a kid, you didn't know better.
Judge to adult: You're an adult, you should know better.

It's not illegal for a minor to lie about their age but it absolutely is illegal for an adult to have any sort of sexual conversations with a minor in any context.

[AngelCheese77]

They'll still side with the minor in a court case, even if said minor lied because its still an adult having inappropriate relations wjth a minor at the end of the day. The responsibility falls on the adult to be sure they're actually engaging with another adult. It's sort of like:

Judge to minor: You're a kid, you didn't know better.
Judge to adult: You're an adult, you should know better.

It's not illegal for a minor to lie about their age but it absolutely is illegal for an adult to have any sort of sexual conversations with a minor in any context.

Ah yes, because all adults are psychic and can tell another player is lying about their age.

Reminds me of a recent event with a YTer who was accused of sexual acts with a minor. Said YTer had proof the minor lied multiple times about their age (got those receipts) and intentionally accused the YTer of sexual acts. That minor was called out and worse for lying.

No, if a person lies about their age, there is intent behind it. Period. They know exactly what they are doing.

[Neoyoshi]

I love the direction this thread has taken; straight to the supreme court and then hell.

[Shibi]

They'll still side with the minor in a court case, even if said minor lied because its still an adult having inappropriate relations wjth a minor at the end of the day. The responsibility falls on the adult to be sure they're actually engaging with another adult.

Yes. Absolutely.

Genuinely not knowing the other is under the AOC is a valid defense in some countries. But even in those, as you rightly say, with the uncensored chatlogs in evidence, one will be needing to prove in the positive "a reasonable adult" couldn't have known to the judge and jury.

To no-one in particular;

If the roleplay is not erotic, as the poster claimed, then AOC is not even entering the equation. If it's just a matter of the older not wanting to roleplay the "state of Ishgard's corrupt elite as we partake an ale by the fire" with a young person, then that 18+ sign is absolutely meaningless and utterly useless to have. It won't stop them, if anything it will draw them in.

Just accept it and once you see them fail to use words and phrases of collegiate level, roleplay a simple "Hark, is that mine faithful steed calling for his meal, I must away, so farewell to ye kind miss, and may ye have safe paths ((thanks and bye))" and turn your camera to look for a new person to roleplay with.

but

If the roleplay is erotic, well, that's caveat fabulator for making one's own judgement of the age of the other in terms of AOC laws. While the chatlogs read out in court will prove to the jury there was/wasn't knowledge, I don't think the 18+ sign provides a skerrick of protection nor any plausible deniability. Not in the slightest.

What it will come down to in this case is that should the adult aged erotic roleplayer get even the smallest hint or faintest suspicion during the roleplay, then it's legally on them to stop immediately.

Again, I really don't care what people do in private. I just think this "no, 18+ isn't a codeword for ERP" argument is a bit weak.

"nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more"

[LianaThorne]

Ah yes, because all adults are psychic and can tell another player is lying about their age.

Reminds me of a recent event with a YTer who was accused of sexual acts with a minor. Said YTer had proof the minor lied multiple times about their age (got those receipts) and intentionally accused the YTer of sexual acts. That minor was called out and worse for lying.

No, if a person lies about their age, there is intent behind it. Period. They know exactly what they are doing.

It doesn't matter. Courts won't side with the adult in this situation because the adult should have taken further steps to prove the person's age (asking for an ID for example). My state for example doesn't allow for the excuse of "Well I thought they were older." to be used in any cases involving minors lying online. If the person is under the age of 14, there is no defense for the adult, period. It will depend state by state but generally the adult will end out worse than the child will because it's not illegal to lie about your age and good luck proving intent that the minor lied for malicious reasons and not just because they wanted to sneak on a website and not get caught.

I also don't understand how calling out a minor via YouTube and the actual court system are the same but okay.

[Etupa]

If you can't deal with other don't play MMO.
If you can't deal with RP don't play RPG.

There are as many ways to play a role-playing game as there are players, been the only truth since D&D came out.