Time to Restart Housing Demolition

[UkcsAlias]

"You cannot punish those in the Now, for following the rules of the Past."

Yet IRL this happens A LOT! How often do social media messages get removed because the platform suddenly decides to change oppinion? People sometimes even get banned for old content. Content that originaly was no issue.

Hoarding houses without any tax might initialy have been fine, but now you might have to pay monthy to the government for that. Yet at that point you didnt do anything wrong. The government still changed it to make the housing market more fair and promote those hoarders to at least make the rent low enough or otherwise they wont generate profit (too high rent and no one will rent, resulting in a loss). The values of tax can even adjust.

Or lets take a bitcoin as an example. Governments have changed the category of its value several times (cash, banked money, stock value), with greatly diffirent numbers of tax attached to them (cash often having 0%).

Or what about a car. Your perfectly fine 30s car is not legal to drive on roads even if it would be in the same quality as it would have been in the 30s. Many parts had to be added in order to make it road legal. Which costs money to apply.

Punishing is a very viable option to do. IRL this happens already. The problem is the scale of punishing though. Instantly taking away 7 houses when someone owns 8 is quite harsh and not realy a good idea. But adding a tax to maintain the 7 extra houses is something that would be perfectly normal IRL (and this scale can be steep). As this will push those players towards either maintaining income, or let those players decide to expire a few of them.

[Shazzinoth]

That war is still going on. It just doesn't get as much press here anymore.

There have been wars happening non stop in the world for several decades. This one is no different to any of the others beyond it being in a european country.
Not to mention, that turning off auto demo doesn't actually help anyone genuinely affected by the war, it's just posturing by SE to look good.
I can tell you now, that if you are genuinely affected, the last thing you would care about would be your house in FF14

[Kenky]

Yet IRL this happens A LOT! How often do social media messages get removed because the platform suddenly decides to change oppinion? People sometimes even get banned for old content. Content that originaly was no issue.

Hoarding houses without any tax might initialy have been fine, but now you might have to pay monthy to the government for that. Yet at that point you didnt do anything wrong. The government still changed it to make the housing market more fair and promote those hoarders to at least make the rent low enough or otherwise they wont generate profit (too high rent and no one will rent, resulting in a loss). The values of tax can even adjust.

Or lets take a bitcoin as an example. Governments have changed the category of its value several times (cash, banked money, stock value), with greatly diffirent numbers of tax attached to them (cash often having 0%).

Or what about a car. Your perfectly fine 30s car is not legal to drive on roads even if it would be in the same quality as it would have been in the 30s. Many parts had to be added in order to make it road legal. Which costs money to apply.

Punishing is a very viable option to do. IRL this happens already. The problem is the scale of punishing though. Instantly taking away 7 houses when someone owns 8 is quite harsh and not realy a good idea. But adding a tax to maintain the 7 extra houses is something that would be perfectly normal IRL (and this scale can be steep). As this will push those players towards either maintaining income, or let those players decide to expire a few of them.

Social media: Everythings public domain and often politics and "cancel culture" rules that section. While yes, it certainly happens, it really shouldn't.. The statement I made more-so pertained directly to SE, not a general blanket statement. There'll obviously be exceptions.

The only reason that statement works is because SE has said they aren't going to touch them. To go back on their word would cost a lot more than a few subs, I'll wager.

Car: That issue stems mostly from updated rules and regulations about vehicle safety, not really comparable to the hoarding. I can see where the example works, but only barely.

Comparing IRL with Taxes and such to a Game that is meant to be played for FUN first and foremost is.. A risky venture. Adding a "Tax" to the hoarders wouldn't really do much as they (probably, if not definitely) are sitting on quite a large pile of gil. So they could weather it almost indefinitely. Or piss the hoarders off to such an extent SE loses their guaranteed sub money (which isn't much. But it's SE we're talking about..) Sure, you open up the plots for others to use. But SE has lost guaranteed income.

Remember. The Hoarders pay every month and actively show up to keep their houses. To make them give up one of their plots (and risk pissing them off, causing them to leave) and let someone else have it who may leave in a month or two is.. Well, it's a risk that I don't think many companies would go for.

[VerdeLuck]

This isn't about hoarders or grandfathered houses, this is about restoring the auto demo feature. If there's going to be limited housing, they should be for people actively subbed and using them, not people who unsub and don't even enter them.

[Eraden]

That's because a previous post on that subject, by another poster, which post showed the number of houses reclaimed the last time housing reclamation was turned back on, proves you wrong.

It's a post dominated by a big picture showing the number of houses demolished on each world, so it shouldn't be hard for you to find.

There are not thousands of houses that would be released if demolition was reinstated. On my world alone, that is how many would be required to fill demand. I simply do not understand how you can be so obtuse about this. You merely have to look at the number of participants in the Lottery to realize that if every single house was demolished, ALL of them, demand would still probably not be met.

[Silverbane]

There are not thousands of houses that would be released if demolition was reinstated.

On what basis do you claim this? What's the source of your information?
You obviously didn't read the post I mentioned (which is in this thread) because according to it, there were indeed thousands of houses released the last time housing reclamation was un-paused.

[Eraden]

On what basis do you claim this? What's the source of your information?
You obviously didn't read the post I mentioned (which is in this thread) because according to it, there were indeed thousands of houses released the last time housing reclamation was un-paused.

I saw that post. On my world there was only 250 houses released. Still a drop in the bucket compared to the number of Lottery entries that were made when Ishgard was opened up. I ran around checking all of the wards in each city while I was looking for a house and was astounded by the number of bids being placed. Some as high as 100-200 on a single plot. I saw one at around 260. While I didn't bother to get an exact tally, I am pretty sure that the total numbers easily exceeded 2000. Again, I reiterate, the only real solution to this problem is to make more and better housing. Your canibalistic attitude will only serve to divert SE's attention from the real solution.

[Drakengarde]

To fix the housing situation need probably like 50 more wards so like an additional 13 wards across all housing districts should do it.

[Toutatis]

To fix the housing situation need probably like 50 more wards so like an additional 13 wards across all housing districts should do it.

This is still a finite and fixed amount of houses and it would be only a temporary fix. Unless they move away from a fixed and finite amount of houses, the same problem will occur again and players who join in the future would not have access to houses.

If they maintain the same flawed and static system, at minimum auto demolition has to be re-enabled . It wouldn’t answer all the needs but it would allow some active players to get a house. I have a house now and I don’t give a damn about what would happen to it if I stop subbing for whatever reason and I think it’s fair that the plot can go to someone actively playing - it’s just a pixel house that has no use outside the game. Auto-demolition hasn’t been used for a long time now and I am pretty sure that there would be a good number of plots freed up by re-enabling it.

[JamieRose]

100% this theres a war going on right now.... I'd love to hear Zeplas response to this and im sure some of you are fans of hers and know she barley made it out

ROFLMAO!

Zepla has thousands of thirsty simps paying her sub. Her account was never in danger of lapsing.

Try again.