the strongest nations of eorzea

[TheMightyMollusk]

Ul'dah has a huge army and numerous barracks all over Thanalan. Nothing would explain a lack of resources when they are the first economic power in Eorzea.
The Brass Blades are not part of the Uldian army, they are more like a police force.
The case of the migrants has already been solved by many actions taken by members of the cartel and Nanamo so it should not be a major problem anymore.

In case of an enemy invasion Ul'dah already has troops on its borders and will be warned quickly enough to prepare a counter attack, currently no army can bring Ul'dah to its knees except Isghard but since the Isghard troops are very far from Ul'dah we can easily say that in time Isghard will have no other choice than to declare a retreat

Thanalan has limited farmable land available. While they might be able to get drinkable water from the Sil'dih Aqueducts under the city (where we escaped the bloody banquet in ARR), they still have limited supplies if locked behind their walls.

You really think the Brass Blades won't be conscripted into the army if the city itself came under attack? Assuming the attackers don't buy them out beforehand, anyway.

The refugee crisis has begun to abate, but we've seen that plenty are still unwilling to make the trek back to Ala Mhigo, and the cartels are of limited use unless they see a profit in it. Even Godbert, undeniably the most charitable of the Monetarists, refused to get involved, and Lolorito only cares when he stands to gain from it.

[HanWenqing]

You forgot Ala Mhigo and Rowena's privately owned states of Idyllshire and Revenant's Toll.

It's made for Ala Mhigo

This is too biased, Gridania is much better than that.

[HanWenqing]

Thanalan has limited farmable land available. While they might be able to get drinkable water from the Sil'dih Aqueducts under the city (where we escaped the bloody banquet in ARR), they still have limited supplies if locked behind their walls.

You really think the Brass Blades won't be conscripted into the army if the city itself came under attack? Assuming the attackers don't buy them out beforehand, anyway.

The refugee crisis has begun to abate, but we've seen that plenty are still unwilling to make the trek back to Ala Mhigo, and the cartels are of limited use unless they see a profit in it. Even Godbert, undeniably the most charitable of the Monetarists, refused to get involved, and Lolorito only cares when he stands to gain from it.

Do you really think a few refugees living outside the fortress will be able to do anything against Ul'Dah? It is pointless

Militarily speaking each city has at least 1 month of reserves, Ul'Dah is rich and trades with many countries, despite living in a desert they have a lot of resources, that the lands of Thanalan are hostile does not necessarily matter of Ul'Dah to a land with few resources would be pretty ridiculous.

and during this time while the fortress will be locking the enemy armies will have plenty of time to melt in the sun all this without forgetting the possible counterattacks and also the encirclement because once again Ul'Dah has a large army dispersed in several strategic points .

the Brass Blades probably won't because once again the Uldian army is massive, Ul'Dah can recruit mercenary troops or professional adventurers without worry there are disagreements between monetarists and sultanists but I don't see them getting together sticks in the wheels in the event of an invasion especially since Lolorito is the most influential and contrary to what you say we learn that Lolorito is deeply attached to Ul'Dah...

Also in the current situation no army can compel Ul'Dah so...

[Ravor]

I have to kinda agree that uldah has the biggest military capabilities in Eorzea, i mean Nanamo are ussually chosen as the Eorzea representative or the main front in most political situation, she was chosen not for her personal leadership, but more for her position as the leader of uldah, she knew her position and mostly do her job correctly, when political or strategic discussion occur, she will involved herself but when military or tactical discussion occur, she ussually didnt talk much

[Raven2014]

Gridania is weak because it has been isolationist for a long time, their people are peaceful, they don't really have a defensive posture. Gridania has never reinforced any key place because they don't want to displease the spirits of the forest.

Gridania suffered an invasion from Ala Mhigo, and could not do much against the invader.

The mages of Gridania are quite powerful and some spearmen too but in general they prove to be the weakest.

Kal-E-Senna is naive compared to the other leaders, she thinks mostly about peace and protecting the forest, one could almost say that they are hippies.

Like ... citation need please, all of these looks like it came from someone who just took a glance at the setting without any context.

- You are aware that prior to the liberation of Ala Mihgo, Granadia was basically "the" front line against the Empire? The Empire had the largest castrum with the biggest wall right along the edge of the Shroud. While other city state do have various castrums in the middle of their territory thanks to the empire airlift power, the main vector for a ground invasion into Eozea would always be launched from Ala Mihgo into Gridania. G

- They're not isolationist, they're xenophobic. (Think Israel, prefer to keep themselves but surely not an isolationist when it comes to defense pact). They are part of the Eorzea alliance with full military and technology sharing, they participated in ALL the largest battles against the Empire to date as equal partners and contributors.

- You're completely underestimate the protection of the forest even without the elemental interference. The Empire had been prodding border for a long time (that's what pissed the Sylph off and make them summon their primal), but they could not muster the kind of force it would take to march into Gridania heartland.

- And being compassionate and commited to her duty does not make her naive. Did you do the tank role quest in which it tells the story of Ken-E when she was young? Before taking up the mental of Padjal her dream was to become an adventure and leave the Twelvewood to see the world. If anything, she's the perfect leader for Gridania, someone can understand and keep the way of the forest but make sure to have an outlook view so it does not complete shut off from outside event.

This whole "she's focusing on protecting her people so she must be naive" seem to be just straight up headcanon assumption on your part. There are ton of text and event happening in the game that's completely contrary to that. Also, saying a country like Gridania does not have a defensive posture army while it was essential bordered the Empire is like saying a country like Israel don't have a real army.

[Soge01]

Garlemald before it got blown the f*ck up. xD

[HanWenqing]

- You are aware that prior to the liberation of Ala Mihgo, Granadia was basically "the" front line against the Empire? The Empire had the largest castrum with the biggest wall right along the edge of the Shroud. While other city state do have various castrums in the middle of their territory thanks to the empire airlift power, the main vector for a ground invasion into Eozea would always be launched from Ala Mihgo into Gridania. G

- You're completely underestimate the protection of the forest even without the elemental interference. The Empire had been prodding border for a long time (that's what pissed the Sylph off and make them summon their primal), but they could not muster the kind of force it would take to march into Gridania heartland.

- And being compassionate and commited to her duty does not make her naive. Did you do the tank role quest in which it tells the story of Ken-E when she was young? Before taking up the mental of Padjal her dream was to become an adventure and leave the Twelvewood to see the world. If anything, she's the perfect leader for Gridania, someone can understand and keep the way of the forest but make sure to have an outlook view so it does not complete shut off from outside event.

You deviate from the subject, here we are talking about the individual strengths of each city-states Everything that touches the empire goes with the alliance, it's ridiculous of you to say that Gridania is strong for feats that concern only the alliance, Gridania as any other city-states has no chance against the empire please keep this in your head

The empire has bases in every strategic place and often deploys spies there that concern the alliance ok ?

The people are clearly isolationist and it's well pointed out by doing side quests for npc they don't like foreigners yet Gridania is part of the alliance it's just logical because not being part of the alliance almost means surrender to the empire.
A sharing of technology ? where did you see that ?

The forest or at least the spirits are the source of the weak defense of Gridania, in fact it is well said that Gridania respects the forest above all and according to their will they live with the minimum of resources, which gives fragile houses and a rather limited number of pieces of equipment

The Sylphs don't represent Gridania, once again the purpose of the subject is to present the strength of each country, the barbarian tribes don't count...

the past of Ken-E has no interest here we speak military, compared to the other leaders except Lyse Ken-E is the weakest. It's not just her but the whole people of Gridania who are looking for peace. The military actions within the alliance do not count as I said before.

[Raven2014]

You deviate from the subject, here we are talking about the individual strengths of each city-states Everything that touches the empire goes with the alliance, it's ridiculous of you to say that Gridania is strong for feats that concern only the alliance,

Where did I say that.

The empire has bases in every strategic place and often deploys spies there that concern the alliance ok ?

Woot?

The people are clearly isolationist and it's well pointed out by doing side quests for npc they don't like foreigners yet Gridania is part of the alliance it's just logical because not being part of the alliance almost means surrender to the empire.

Not even sure what you're talking about here. Eozea has always been a defensive alliance which each nation states have to look out for its own defense. And the fact Gridania has a direct land border with the Empire's territory means it has to be prepared more than most regardless what their people want. Suggesting they are not military ready given their place on the map are just nonsense. If Gridania is as weak and defenseless as you claim, the Empire would have roll over it a long time ago.

the past of Ken-E has no interest here we speak military, compared to the other leaders except Lyse Ken-E is the weakest. It's not just her but the whole people of Gridania who are looking for peace.

You keep going on and on and on about this .... but ... which nation of the Eozea alliance that DOES NOT look for peace? You making it sound like only Gridania are pacifist tree huggers while everyone else are heavily militarized looking to pick a fight or something. And even in real life, it's common for nation to adopt training, equipment and combat doctrine that's suitable to its home advantage. Fire power means squat if you can't maneuver or utilize them. I'm sure Gridania's force would be caught with their pants down if you ask them fight in the desert or taking a city. But at the same time, unless Mealstrom can somehow make their navy sale on the ground, they ain't gonna win any battle deep inside dryland. Or the Isghard heavy knight would be sitting duck if they get dropped in a dense forest area.

This is like asking a tank and a healer which one is more powerful. If anything, NONE of the Eozea nations has what can be considered a well-rounded army which I'm sure is done that way on purpose, so they each can contribute a specific aspect toward the alliance.

[HanWenqing]

Where did I say that.

In your previous message or you don't even understand what you are saying yourself ....

Woot?

once again we know that by playing ARR you don't remember? in short your no arguments

Not even sure what you're talking about here. Eozea has always been a defensive alliance which each nation states have to look out for its own defense. And the fact Gridania has a direct land border with the Empire's territory means it has to be prepared more than most regardless what their people want. Suggesting they are not military ready given their place on the map are just nonsense. If Gridania is as weak and defenseless as you claim, the Empire would have roll over it a long time ago.

again if the empire doesn't attack Gridania it's because it's part of an alliance not because it has an extraordinary defense, Gridania has only wooden towers that's a fact and you dare to tell me that they are prepared? they only observe in towers but there is no defensive structure such as fortresses or military bases outside Gridania, it's a fact don't invent things that don't exist ok that's really stupid...

You keep going on and on and on about this .... but ... which nation of the Eozea alliance that DOES NOT look for peace? You making it sound like only Gridania are pacifist tree huggers while everyone else are heavily militarized looking to pick a fight or something. And even in real life, it's common for nation to adopt training, equipment and combat doctrine that's suitable to its home advantage. Fire power means squat if you can't maneuver or utilize them. I'm sure Gridania's force would be caught with their pants down if you ask them fight in the desert or taking a city. But at the same time, unless Mealstrom can somehow make their navy sale on the ground, they ain't gonna win any battle deep inside dryland. Or the Isghard heavy knight would be sitting duck if they get dropped in a dense forest area.

This is like asking a tank and a healer which one is more powerful. If anything, NONE of the Eozea nations has what can be considered a well-rounded army which I'm sure is done that way on purpose, so they each can contribute a specific aspect toward the alliance.

I repeat it because it's important but it looks like you don't want to accept it...

Limsa has a defensive posture, the same for the others who are constantly trying to strengthen their territories, Gridania because of its vision of respect towards the forest refuses to strengthen itself militarily, it's in the game again, travel to Limsa or Ul'Dah or Ishgard and you will see many fortresses, defensive walls, garrisons, Gridania has only wooden observation towers.

[orion2792]

whichever nation has WoL is the strongest.