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  1. #11
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    1. Decorate an apartment and store years worth of holiday furniture somewhere else.
    2. Leave your fc and make your own.
    3. Bid on a dead realm where your main isn't.
    4. Give up, because no amount of effort you're willing to put in will give you an advantage over players who log in once a week to do Wondrous Tails and check houses.

    Enjoy the lottery guys!
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  2. 07-18-2022 04:00 AM

  3. #12
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    Yukimin's Avatar
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    Frederica Bernkastel
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    The Playerbase: The housing system isn't fair, do something about this! Lottery now!
    *months later*
    Square Enix: We have implemented lottery.
    The Playerbase: Nice!
    *months later*
    The Playerbase: The housing system isn't fair, do something about this!
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  4. #13
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    Zaetia Pryce
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    Coeurl
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    Weaver Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yukimin View Post
    The Playerbase: The housing system isn't fair, do something about this! Lottery now!
    *months later*
    Square Enix: We have implemented lottery.
    The Playerbase: Nice!
    *months later*
    The Playerbase: The housing system isn't fair, do something about this!
    Did the majority of the playerbase ask for the lottery system - another band-aid to the limited ward housing system or a proper solution to address the supply problem?

    Secondly, the lottery system was not meant to address the supply problem but to address the consequences of the limited ward housing system. The placard camping system before the lottery did not respect a player's time and incentivized botting/3rd party tools.

    The sensible players know exactly what they want; a long-term scalable solution:
    A proper housing system with enough supply so that every individual player can get a house.

    A fully instanced housing system which is a viable alternative to the limited ward housing system. Examples of good fully instanced housing systems, are Rift and Wildstar.

    SE has already demonstrated they're capable of fully instanced housing with Island Sanctuaries since every player will be getting a massive island for free.

    SE can also improve apartments. Let us upgrade them for gil into condos/penthouses.

    If Islands/Apartments were viable alternatives to housing and the minimum baseline for every player - the demand for limited ward housing would decrease.

    Limited ward housing could then be something for players who want to compete for "exclusive/flex" houses.

    Did you miss all the requests over the years for fully instanced housing?
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  5. #14
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    Frederica Bernkastel
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    Did you miss all the requests over the years for fully instanced housing?
    I didn't but they have more important things to worry about like NFTs.
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  6. #15
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    Siniztor's Avatar
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    Sin Bathory
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    Did the majority of the playerbase ask for the lottery system - another band-aid to the limited ward housing system or a proper solution to address the supply problem?

    Secondly, the lottery system was not meant to address the supply problem but to address the consequences of the limited ward housing system. The placard camping system before the lottery did not respect a player's time and incentivized botting/3rd party tools.

    The sensible players know exactly what they want; a long-term scalable solution:
    A proper housing system with enough supply so that every individual player can get a house.

    A fully instanced housing system which is a viable alternative to the limited ward housing system. Examples of good fully instanced housing systems, are Rift and Wildstar.

    SE has already demonstrated they're capable of fully instanced housing with Island Sanctuaries since every player will be getting a massive island for free.

    SE can also improve apartments. Let us upgrade them for gil into condos/penthouses.

    If Islands/Apartments were viable alternatives to housing and the minimum baseline for every player - the demand for limited ward housing would decrease.

    Limited ward housing could then be something for players who want to compete for "exclusive/flex" houses.

    Did you miss all the requests over the years for fully instanced housing?
    ^^^^ 100% ALL of this very well said.. we have been asking and asking and asking for a FIX to the amount of houses.. All lotto system is is a band aid fix to standing at a plaque for 23 1/2 hours to try and get a house
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  7. #16
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    Jojoya Joya
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    Coeurl
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    The problem SE has is that the made what is possibly the most customizable housing solution of any MMO, current ones included... for a playerbase that was a fraction of the size it is today. There weren't enough houses from Day 1. But back then, there were more houses than gil on the server.

    Imagine the tantrums if they removed much of the customizing available in exchange for housing for all.
    You think this is the most customizable housing system?

    Seriously?

    Because it's not. Not by a long shot. It's still better than the housing systems that rely on hooks but there are definitely other systems with more customization.

    There's also no need to trade customization for supply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukimin View Post
    I didn't but they have more important things to worry about like NFTs.
    Not anymore. The NFT craze is dying hard and fast now all the problems with them are becoming apparent (thanks Bored Ape).

    The new fad is Play to Earn.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 07-18-2022 at 08:43 AM.

  8. #17
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    Khloe Entialpoh
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    Sargatanas
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    I want sharlayan housing
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  9. #18
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    Sin Bathory
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    Zalera
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    The problem SE has is that the made what is possibly the most customizable housing solution of any MMO, current ones included... for a playerbase that was a fraction of the size it is today. There weren't enough houses from Day 1. But back then, there were more houses than gil on the server.

    Imagine the tantrums if they removed much of the customizing available in exchange for housing for all.
    Not sure if your old enough to know Star Wars Galaxy it came out in 2003..That games housing system would blow your mind...

    1st you could drop your house any where on all but the evil planet as long as you wernt 50 feet near a city or poi (you were allowed so many grinds and in deco mode the land turned into a grid so say you wanted to drop a large house it be 10 grids you needed.. I forget how many you got but your harvestors used your grinds to)

    2nd the deco mode puts this to shame you had total control of the x,y,z axis of a item meaning you could do any thing up down side to side rotate flip.. you literly could unequip your armor and it would stand up like you were wearing it.. example a Storm Trooper out fit..if you wore it then dropped you had a storm trooper in your house...this housing system is so basic compared to a 2003 game and im sure many more probly earlier to
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    Last edited by Siniztor; 07-18-2022 at 08:56 AM.

  10. #19
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    Frizze Steeleblaze
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    Lamia
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    Another older game that had an amazing house system(that doesnt tend to get a lot of love) was EQ2. Everything was instanced, but any player could get any/as many houses as they wanted. Then decorating was much better cause you could rotate/flip/tilt/place with full X,Y,Z control. You could even scale the size of items up and down. Imagine a "house" that is an empty island, and you have a couple thousand item slots to build out every detail of the house(flooring, walls, ceilings, decorations, yard, etc).
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  11. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frizze View Post
    Another older game that had an amazing house system(that doesnt tend to get a lot of love) was EQ2. Everything was instanced, but any player could get any/as many houses as they wanted. Then decorating was much better cause you could rotate/flip/tilt/place with full X,Y,Z control. You could even scale the size of items up and down. Imagine a "house" that is an empty island, and you have a couple thousand item slots to build out every detail of the house(flooring, walls, ceilings, decorations, yard, etc).
    And you still can in eq2..Started that game the day it came out lol....EQ2 did it right they didnt give you a front yard in the apartments but you got patios and roof type balconys..then they added.. the different instance houses along with the old starter Island as well as keeeping all the old houses along the streets in the main citys (click a door pick whos house you wanted to visit)
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