Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.

[Deceptus]

They did try to implement a new system similar to tansmog in WOW though




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They said it can't handle it but they didn't say why they can't handle it. Is it too much memory for the servers (get more)? Is it a technical problem (that goes back to the infamous spaghetti code they say doesn't exist)?

They've shown since then that they do have the ability to free up space (deleting belts and HQ gathering), so things do change.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Honestly most of the community that defends the devs every step of the way even knowing they have made some blunders are the issue as well. I never understand how they think Yoshi P and the devs can do no wrong yet clearly they have shown that they haven't tested any of these patches correctly i.e botched lottery system and DC travel to name a couple. ISn't it time to start holding them accountable for some lazy quality assurances.

[Midareyukki]

They said it can't handle it but they didn't say why they can't handle it. Is it too much memory for the servers (get more)? Is it a technical problem (that goes back to the infamous spaghetti code they say doesn't exist)?

They've shown since then that they do have the ability to free up space (deleting belts and HQ gathering), so things do change.

Could just be memory allocation. It took them this long to give us glamour dresser slots, and it's taking them strides to get us inventory space.

There's just one thing, of course. It's that the 400 slot thing is server-side, so you need memory for all of it. Imagine one slot takes exactly 1MB, for some reason. For example's sake.
That's 400MB of inventory space on one end, they need to come up with the remainder. And then, each player will need memory allocated for their inventories. That's why it's a bit hard sometimes to properly implement these slots. Even if the inventory window isn't on, you're still taking up space somewhere. Now, of course, 400MB is probably not realistic xD a full inventory would likely take around 1MB or so. But imagine the thousands of players and ALTs they have. And that's just 400 new slots, we have a lot more than that.

[Deceptus]

Could just be memory allocation. It took them this long to give us glamour dresser slots, and it's taking them strides to get us inventory space.

There's just one thing, of course. It's that the 400 slot thing is server-side, so you need memory for all of it. Imagine one slot takes exactly 1MB, for some reason. For example's sake.
That's 400MB of inventory space on one end, they need to come up with the remainder. And then, each player will need memory allocated for their inventories. That's why it's a bit hard sometimes to properly implement these slots. Even if the inventory window isn't on, you're still taking up space somewhere. Now, of course, 400MB is probably not realistic xD a full inventory would likely take around 1MB or so. But imagine the thousands of players and ALTs they have. And that's just 400 new slots, we have a lot more than that.

The relatively easy, armchair developer solution to that is to limit where you can access your glam so it doesn't have to perpetually be scanned and available. Limit it to Inn Rooms so even if it takes a few seconds to load the database on demand it's still less resource intensive than having to keep that memory everywhere.

I don't know if that's even possible but we don't know if they've even considered that. I honestly hope they have because if this is the system we're stuck with I want it to be as functional as it can be.

[Midareyukki]

The relatively easy, armchair developer solution to that is to limit where you can access your glam so it doesn't have to perpetually be scanned and available. Limit it to Inn Rooms so even if it takes a few seconds to load the database on demand it's still less resource intensive than having to keep that memory everywhere.

I don't know if that's even possible but we don't know if they've even considered that. I honestly hope they have because if this is the system we're stuck with I want it to be as functional as it can be.

But doesn't that take up physical space? If they haven't done it, then it might just be about the aforementioned technical issues like server memory\server space. Meaning even if you don't have it up all the time, you'll still need a list stored somewhere. Countless lists, for every character and alt.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Poor devs always do right things or what they have been asked for.
Literally your words dishonest liar. Still waiting where you will put SAM situation. Was it right and/or fix? Was it thing that people asked for?

Wow you suck at this. Nowhere in those lines of dialogue suggests or says I can Explain Samurai Changes.
If you want answers to game changes, talk to the devs, they actually make the changes and can explain it to you. Not me, Im not a Dev, I play this game just like you.
Nowhere in there does it say Devs cant be wrong either. So you made that up. You either need better reading skills, or you are a Liar.

Better luck next time

[Deceptus]

But doesn't that take up physical space? If they haven't done it, then it might just be about the aforementioned technical issues like server memory\server space. Meaning even if you don't have it up all the time, you'll still need a list stored somewhere. Countless lists, for every character and alt.

And it takes up far less memory to have it in a single repository only accessed in a select few zones vs having to have that memory dedicated to every player wherever they are in the world.

[Midareyukki]

And it takes up far less memory to have it in a single repository only accessed in a select few zones vs having to have that memory dedicated to every player wherever they are in the world.

Well, they're clearly not doing that xD otherwise they'd have solved half the messes in the game that derive from them not having space for better\newer features.

Nah, instead they do weird stuff like cut out Hrothgar ears. Choices, I guess.

Wow you suck at this. Nowhere in those lines of dialogue suggests or says I can Explain Samurai Changes.
If you want answers to game changes, talk to the devs, they actually make the changes and can explain it to you. Not me, Im not a Dev, I play this game just like you.
Nowhere in there does it say Devs cant be wrong either. So you made that up. You either need better reading skills, or you are a Liar.

Better luck next time

xD Zanarkand, why are you still bothering with her?

Girlie, they just said that it doesn't matter what the devs do, people will still complain. And that is what will happen.

Otherwise she's calling you a white knight, and while I haven't always agreed with Zanarkand here, they for sure is NOT a white knight. Seriously, sis, go read their posts before you call people something they're not. Accusing people of something they didn't do might not make you a liar, but it does make you look dishonest as hell.

Also you just threw out Samurai for no reason. This is the General Discussion chat, not the DPS discussion forum.

[CelestiCer]

Criticism or negative feedback is voiced for a reason, more so when it's ignored.

Whatever happened to not Ignoring Job feed-back from players?

• WHM still waiting on more then just Glare?
• DRK Dark Arts just poof?
• MNK Positionals deleted?
• NIN Trick attack sudden change?
• DNC Flourish what happened to that?
• SMN over simplification?
• SAM Kaiten removal?

For the recent 6.1 SAM changes, Yoshi and Dev's literal words were " Give it a try " and " Give us Feedback ". We tried and we gave feedback as requested. 130 Anti Kaiten removal/6.1 SAM change threads. 8 Youtube videos of content creators and streamers disliking 6.1 SAM changes. The JP forums on fire with negative feedback and criticism, and yet for 4 months? nothing... Ignored.

Though 4 months pales in comparison to years of WHM mains being Ignored. Perhaps this backlash was the reasoning AST and DRG were delayed, though speculations.

Also you just threw out Samurai for no reason. This is the General Discussion chat, not the DPS discussion forum.

Ah, so it's not General Discussion it's " Selective Discussion ", I see. Gone take a wild guess that Criticism isn't oke either just Selective Criticism, like Hrothgar hair. Which is probably an issue that's also been Ignored, I haven't really followed the news on that. If anyone can tell me for how long that's been Ignored feel free to share.

What about the " Housing Lottery " debacle then, where it was obvious players could create Solo-FC's and are now the winners of the new system over actual players who want to own a private house. The warnings clearly Ignored and let's not even touch upon individuals that own entire Wards of houses, unaddressed and the list can go on with what players voice that has been Ignored.

Yoshi and the Dev's aren't perfect, thus not immune to critique.
Nor do I see a reason to fetishize/ embrace the idea of " Victimizing a billion dollar company ". Which if you can believe it some do.

Not every person is a WhiteKnight/CompanySuckup no, nor is every Critique an Attack. Though apparently players have been demonized for it when many have very good reasons to give criticism.

Generally, players voice Critique cause they care. You can tell when they truly stop caring if they aren't here anymore to voice anything at all for being Ignored for to long. Passionate players voice concerns or critique because they either want to prevent elements from the game to not be ruined or to see FFXIV improve.


Having a bunch of nodding yes-man, doesn't achieve that.

[Stasya]

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I like how these yoshi p fans (who probably even forgets to assign person to work on ff14 while hes doing projects like ff16) completly spin SAM changes as dps discussion and that this dont belong here (Theme of thread: Yoshi-P: Flippant dismissal of player criticism is a poor look for a lead developer.). And spin it like its either fix or asked change.

Surely thread about lead dev criticism can't have criticism? Surely SAM players didn't criticized 6.1 changes even before they got released?