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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoxel View Post
    Considerring a lot of wintrading was being done, yes, people will discredit.

    And going by your logic, sure go ahead, discredit the effort we raiders do to kill a boss taking many hours of learning and training but hey that's fine if someone can get the same thing because they have 30 more level
    What the...? I mean I don't mind continuing the discussion about the impact of wintrading vs legit players, but when and where did I discredit effort raiders put in to kill high-end fights? I never said "it is okay for PVE to just hand rewards to unsync players", I said that the difficulty is subjective and may vary due to other factors, which MAINLY revolve around the leniency of DPS checks - which are only a minor part of fight design, you still need to put in effort to learn the entire rest of the dance. If anything, I see it a failure on SE's end that there is zero distinction between someone who has done the fight at level sync (not to be confused with min itemlevel) and someone who is unsyncing the fight.

    For crying out loud, I've been raiding since the beginning of Stormblood (4.05 Deltascape was my first raid tier), I've been learning and strategizing fights even past their patch. I am literally in the same boat.

    So please, stop strawmanning and putting me out as a villain to the PVE community just because I have a very vocal stance on previous Top 100 rewards.



    Quote Originally Posted by Siddiax View Post
    Yet 2 expansions later a solo player can enter that "high-end" instance and one shot everything. Why is that okay but giving old PvP rewards years later isn't ?

    The prestige in PvE rewards revolves entirely from WHEN were they obtained. Being a Heavens' Legend now is much more prestigious than it will be in 4 years. I don't see why Feast should be an exception.
    [1] I never said that this is okay, I even think that is a failure on SE's part that there is no distinction between those without having to rely on actual video footage proving it is a synced clear. But to make the distinction clear again:

    PVP Ranked is a competition, you are competing against other players for a spot on the Top 100 leaderboard and the corresponding trophies. For the ranking to work, it needs an "end" to signify a time period a player was "part of the best in that season". Wintraders may put some serious stain on this, but again there are many legit players who fought very well, or at least I can attest so here on the Light datacenter.

    PVE Raiding is a challenge of varying difficulty, you are fighting a boss. You are not competing against other players for the achievement and the reward from clearing this fight and thus there is no "end" to when you can do this challenge. Whether or not it is fair that TimmyTanker goes in two years later to get himself the 10 kills achievement and all the gear and there being no distinction between you and him other than third-party evidence is an entirely different debate.

    The difference here is that a Trophy is meant to signify an achievement in a certain time period. PVE rewards are not Trophies. About the significance of their rewards, refer to my opinion at the start of [1].

    [2] I heavily disagree. Surely, someone who clears the fight in the same tier it appears or even is part of the world first race is absolutely a chad, but to say a title like "Heavens' Legend" is relatively much less of a prestige 4 years down the line is very degrading to say. You still have to learn the fight pattern, react to randomised elements, learn to do your rotation with everything going on, communicate with your group on how to handle individual mechanics, and so on.

    Sure, new jobs bringing heavily unbalanced kits for the corresponding level range a fight is in (Gunbreaker at 70 for instance) did skim some of the fat off, but clearing them is still a prestigeous achievement to this very day. So is clearing old Savages at their normal level.
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    Last edited by Reinhardt_Azureheim; 07-16-2022 at 06:26 PM. Reason: 3000 char limit cap