why is the cast of the Scions so...elvish now.

[LaylaTsarra]

I hope we get a whole new cast of characters. The Scions have disbanded and they need to play less of a role as the story moves forward. That's not to say they can't make appearances but New should be New in my view.

[Bunnycake]

I hope we get a whole new cast of characters. The Scions have disbanded and they need to play less of a role as the story moves forward. That's not to say they can't make appearances but New should be New in my view.

This, seriously. It would be meaningless if they come back for the next chapter.

[Canadane]

I hope we get a whole new cast of characters. The Scions have disbanded and they need to play less of a role as the story moves forward. That's not to say they can't make appearances but New should be New in my view.

They were not disbanded, they just need to make it look like they are disbanded.
Y'shotla was rather frank about that.

[Mimilu]

They were not disbanded, they just need to make it look like they are disbanded.
Y'shotla was rather frank about that.

But getting most of the main gang back together so soon for a big project that will undoubtedly require use to call in favors from major players runs counter to that, both in-story and in writing, doesn't it? Σ(´△｀Ⅲ)
I do agree with LaylaTsarra that I was kind of hoping for a new cast for our new adventure.
The current small amount of hope I have is a cracktheory I have that Y'shtola will be swayed by the darkside and be the Kain-allusion to the Golbez-allusion this new villain is.
Was I the only one who got the vibes that they're building up to Y'shtola being willing to do anything to get her goals? (「ఠωఠ)「

[Striker44]

I hope we get a whole new cast of characters. The Scions have disbanded and they need to play less of a role as the story moves forward. That's not to say they can't make appearances but New should be New in my view.

I guess this is maybe what happens when people skip cutscenes or ignore the story? We get comments like this? (Note: It's made abundantly and repeatedly clear that the Scions were never disbanding. That's just the "official" story they're telling so the group can get back to being the behind-the-scenes kind of group they were always meant to be. The Scions still exist completely and entirely in every way, shape, and form.

[AmpelioB]

I hope we get a whole new cast of characters. The Scions have disbanded and they need to play less of a role as the story moves forward. That's not to say they can't make appearances but New should be New in my view.

I doubt they are actually disbanding just feel they don't want to get involved with grand companies anymore. still having a few scions in the new msq dungeon kind goes like it. I do think the scions should be more reserved about appearing or actively acting in the main quest right now.

I wouldn't mind some B-Team adventures with the Boulder Bros. and Coultenet. He's still an elf, but I think it could be fun.

the would be a interesting sidequest not gonna lie, tataru tie them in

More like why the hell are they all white hair & pale except that lala & cat guy.

Stuff like that is almost prevalent in most Japanese stories as though represents purity or something

reminder that arr y'shtola had tanned skin

Elezen are the 2nd most common race from Eorzea after Hyur so it's pretty natural they'd have a high presence. No one complained about or noticed Minfilia, Thancred, and Lyse all being Hyur. Alphinaud and Alisae are Elezen because their grandfather, Louisoix was an Elezen and they wanted to make new characters who connected to the old story. Estinien started as an edgy 1.0 job quest character and somehow got promoted over time from that to MSQ party member and then eventually Scion by virtue of happening to be an existing character with an existing story relating to the Dragonsong War and then after that, having been a prominent and popular character before so they brought him around again. Urianger... I pretend doesn't exist.

I understand but most of these hyurs are no longer relevant, and about the how common these races are something they created and they can totally subverse that. (like i said i dont mind ali and alphy since they're are related to another character, these are all things they brought out from 1.0/arr but they could totally choose another aspects to bring like g'raha tia for example.

The devs can't even get hrothgar and viera gear right. Do you really expect them to figure out how to model the gear to fit the Bangaa and Lopporits? lol

I mean, it's not like it's their job or something, like they totally don't get money from the indie company Sqaure Enix, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[AmpelioB]

Why make it a wokism?

Sorry I don't speak incel

I don't really care about them representing races in the Scions, but that particular organization definitely needs new blood. It feels like all their major arcs have already been closed, we really only have... what, 3 of them? With any semblance of adventure left?
And then there's Urianger.

you kind touches something I'm interested, like, i don't get why all scions need to be tagging along with the WoL all the time nowadays, like go live your life, make new friends I wish we would go back a little on the first expansion formulas wher eonly a few scions would actually tag you along in the expansion (alphy for hw and alisaie, alphy and lyse for Stb) I find it really weird that in SHB alphy, alisaie, y'shtola and urianger just abandon whatever they are doing to follow you, I do get thancred and ryne since they are runnign from the vaunthry army.

Naturally there needs to be more lalafells and catgurls in the scions

we already have those!!! well tecanilly we have twice more than we have of the newer races

Come on. Look at the bright side, we only have one elven race. Not like some other games with 10+ variations of elves all around

well, technically we have two since theres two tribes for each races and surely more other tribes from the new zones

We definately need more diversity. A Hrothgar but that would be too hard due to their limited clothing options.

I mean, if they did introduced a new hroth main character they would probably just use the same clothing for some time and change every odd expansion or so

I think it's moreso that the Scions cast haven't rly changed since ARR, Estinien is the exception to this but he's from Ishgard so it makes sense he's Elezen.

That said I'd like to see some more characters of the different races.
At the same time tho I'd also like to see an aged up Ryne join us lol, I think Alphinaud and Alisaie could be aged up a bit too.

I was gonna say that they been about 20 now we might seen it but remember that elezen are supposed to live long so unless we get some sort of time travel shenanigans its unlikely

[AmpelioB]

There's a cat, another cat, a dwarf, another dwarf, the official WoL is human, then we have another human, then there are three elves. So having one extra elf makes it elvish?

yes, it almost half the main cast and more than a third, it's definitely very crowded

The only problem I see is how boring and proper all the characters have become, there are no crazy characters, no extreme, strong personalities, they are all plain and boring these days.

you're right, sometimes it's crazy but usually side characters have more personality possibly because the writer there have more freedom to write.

Short answer: Because everybody else died.

Long answer: Seriously, it's because everybody else DIED. There were even beast members. But the most NPC of the NPC's got eliminated each time the plot needed somebody to die. Sometimes one of the people removed was so popular, the complaint was so much that they got brought back. Least popular, dead, most popular alive.

Dragoon, popular, thus estinian stays.
Twins, popular, thus they stay.


Further now that it's the end all the most popular ones are getting highlights. Estinian ends up in trusts and in major plot events. Tataru gets an entire plotline. The twins get all the plot points around them resolved.

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine I get it but the scions do need fresh from all those killing, an male au ra maybe? one that is not a real dragon is disguise the last au ra I remember being relevant is yugiri and maaaybe mikoto if you think hard enough.

I just wish some of the scions would like, live their lives or something just make WoL and some new friends deal with the end of the world or something.

The least popular will sink into the background, retire, and fade away between plots.

why is Urianger alive/relevant then...

I do agree with LaylaTsarra that I was kind of hoping for a new cast for our new adventure.
The current small amount of hope I have is a cracktheory I have that Y'shtola will be swayed by the darkside and be the Kain-allusion to the Golbez-allusion this new villain is.
Was I the only one who got the vibes that they're building up to Y'shtola being willing to do anything to get her goals? (「ఠωఠ)「

can't say i did except for maybe froth and foam thing but I do hope they use the pretext of exploring the void/thirteen to make some development on her character, i'm kinda tired of her being the narky character that's too sexy to die

Im sorry you're saddened by a different opinion. but unfortunately, people have different opinions about subjects.

there's a whole village of them go be horny with them, let other people enjoy thing too

but i'm general i'm kinda tired of having no relevant any au ra/hroth/viera in the team

[AmpelioB]

Back on topic though, I don't think the problem with the Scions is that they need to expand, but more that they need to be defined. They're going to be rejoined (I forgot the word for "coming back together", this is the best I got .-.) eventually, so there might be an expansion of their numbers and diversity there.

But their previous purpose is done. The "Scions of the Seventh Dawn" are no more, because there isn't any further "Seventh Dawn" going around. They need a new purpose. And that is what will then allow for diversity, since then they'll be able to incorporate new characters better fit for their new adventure.

And possibly also retire the units that are already "done and over", like Thancred. I love the guy, and he's one of the few non-Miqo\Elezen in the group, but his arc is done, Endwalker hasn't given him anything new thus far, he really can just spend his time with Ryne once Y'shtola finds a safe way to the First.

that's why I think some of them should just make some exploration (aka being benched for a while) like thancred and urianger.

shtola is busy with portals, the twins are helping the garleans (and I do hope this give some nice side content like doman enclave/ishgard restoration), raha and krile are doing something with the baldesians, estinien is estinien and tataru is doing shady bussiness, why the two just don't go to meracydia to travel as couple and send some postcards of their honeymoon between expasions and just comeback when meracydia is relevant.

Since the first thing we do in 6.1 after everyone goes their own way is round them all up again, I doubt we will be getting a new cast for 7.0. Probably another WoL and Scion company adventure.

yes that was something really annoying to me, we didn't need half the cast to do some exploring, shtola and estinien were just enough.

TBF I am sort of surprised that there aren't any current Au ra or Lalafell Scions given how prominent those two races have been in various stories.

are tataru and krile a joke to you?

Regarding the existing Scions I'm not fussed they are still around, it took us years to arrive at this point and having them all just axed overnight would be bad storytelling and jarring. It's much more fluid to just have existing Scions slowly fade back as new ones are introduced over an extended period. People are just so damn impatient ... "yaaarrgh thing I want must happen yesterday /tantrum".

i'm not really saying they should get axed (well maybe thancred and urianger but like, go take some vacations or something you do have a point it would be bad writing but that exploring for gold in 6.1 was a good enough point to introduce new characters instead of bring some of the scions that should be doing something/had nothing to do with the plot

[AmpelioB]

There's Tataru, if you count receptionists. Yugiri had a prominent role as well in previous stories.

But the main thing I feel from the writers is that they've pared down the number of main characters to something more manageable, with 1 spot being open for the expansion's guest character. Since Estinien took over for Ryne and Estinien famously hates working on a team, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes off to do his own thing sometime between now and 7.0, and someone fills that spot later. Shadowbringers seems to have stabilized and codified our main party since they introduced the Trust mechanic and I really don't see that going away or continuing with a full set of new people since progress carries over between expansions.

well, psycologically speaking (I think?) 7 is the number of thing the brain can remember if I'm not wrong, so six would be fitting for a number of main cast, like you say, so we have, y'shtola, g'raha tia, thancred, urianger, ali and alphy, i'mjust not counting tataru and krile because they aren't combatants and more of supporting characters. I do disagree about the thing about trust mechanics because most part of shb not all the scions are around when you do the first time but CAN be brought upon when leveling in the dungeon and personally i'm against not having new people just because uhu trust system shenanigans.

Heck with it, I want Raubahn, Merlwyb, Aymeric, Hien, Lyse, Yugiri to join

that would be interesting for role quests maybe one day they will have their own dungeon so you can play with them