Building a better Alphinaud

[aveyond-dreams]

As I've said before, "classically handsome" means different things based on different cultures, time periods, etc.

Besides that, this sounds pretty much exactly like what we got in the final role quest, where we had a group that included Aymeric, Hien and Nero, who all had their own different ideas and political views on what the Garleans should do.

And my goodness wouldn't it have been nice if we had a party as diverse as them instead of a bunch white-haired scholars who nod and agree with each other on everything.

[CrownySuccubus]

And my goodness wouldn't it have been nice if we had a party as diverse as them instead of a bunch white-haired scholars who nod and agree with each other on everything.

Thancred may have grown up in Sharlayan, but a scholar he isn't. Likewise Alisaie, whose typical response to a problem is "kill it". We also have Estinien, who is a warrior. Likewise, despite being scholars, it's not as if the Scions actually agree uniformly on every matter.

[Theodric]

Thancred may have grown up in Sharlayan, but a scholar he isn't. Likewise Alisaie, whose typical response to a problem is "kill it". We also have Estinien, who is a warrior. Likewise, despite being scholars, it's not as if the Scions actually agree uniformly on every matter.

There's surface level disagreement but when all is said and done they end up doing whatever Alphinaud desires in the end. Which, I suspect, is a major contributing factor to the reasoning behind this thread.

All of this has been explained many times before, though, from what I recall. So if you want to agree to disagree, then that's perfectly fine.

[KariTheFox]

There's surface level disagreement but when all is said and done they end up doing whatever Alphinaud desires in the end. Which, I suspect, is a major contributing factor to the reasoning behind this thread.

Well, what Alphinaud believes in this case is the essentially, the ideas of Louisoix -the founding principles of the Circle of Knowing and later the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Most of the members were recruited by Louisoix in the first place because he thought they would accept his ideas.

Is it really a problem that the members of the Scions agree with thier organization's own ideology? (Which again, is less about universal republicanism and more to do with international cooperation and collaboration.)

[CrownySuccubus]

Well, what Alphinaud believes in this case is the essentially, the ideas of Louisoix -the founding principles of the Circle of Knowing and later the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Most of the members were recruited by Louisoix in the first place because he thought they would accept his ideas.

Is it really a problem that the members of the Scions agree with thier organization's own ideology? (Which again, is less about universal republicanism and more to do with international cooperation and collaboration.)

I would imagine that if you're inherently skeptical of "globalization" as a concept, the Circle's ideals would seem annoying. And considering that the demand a few pages ago was for "more isolationist" countries like Hingashi or old Ishgard, I think that's precisely what the "problem" is.

[Vahlnir]

I would imagine that if you're inherently skeptical of "globalization" as a concept, the Circle's ideals would seem annoying. And considering that the demand a few pages ago was for "more isolationist" countries like Hingashi or old Ishgard, I think that's precisely what the "problem" is.

I have my gripes with more than a few characters in the game, as well as the story in general, but this isn't one of them. It's nice seeing a world come together like it does in this game, though it's definitely not realistic by any means. But it's a nice change of pace from the real world, I will give it that.

[aveyond-dreams]

Well, what Alphinaud believes in this case is the essentially, the ideas of Louisoix -the founding principles of the Circle of Knowing and later the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. Most of the members were recruited by Louisoix in the first place because he thought they would accept his ideas.

Is it really a problem that the members of the Scions agree with thier organization's own ideology?

Their ideology has made the world less interesting with each nation they ruin. What we need now are characters as far removed from the scions as possible.

[KariTheFox]

Their ideology has made the world less interesting with each nation they ruin. What we need now are characters as far removed from the scions as possible.

I mean, that's your opinion. Even if I accept your premise that the scions are the ones responsible for political change, and not the self determination of the people in the nations involved, I still think a story about the transition from a monarchy or theorcacy to a republic is an interesting one.

I can think of countless fantasy stories about the rightful king assuming the throne, but not many where the monarchy is dissolved and a republic is formed.

My only issue is that aspect isn't explored in more detail, I just hope we can revisit Ishgard and Garlemald one day and really get into the worms of the political situation there. Since if you want a conflict of ideologies, I can't think of many settings better than the political parties and ideas that are born out of a nascent republic and political revolutions.