Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent. 2.0

[VictorSpoils]

200 Mentor Roulettes later...

-Healer duties were ~90% dungeons (quite a few Qarn Hard, don't recall getting Sastasha Hard/either Pharos/either Gubal/Dusk Vigil/Vault/Fractal Hard/Swallow's Compass/Holminster/Dohn Mheg/Zot/Stigma). Next were EX trials (a few Shiva, a few Great Hunt, a couple Garuda, one Thordan that got noped out of), guildhests, and backfilled alliance raids (lots of Nier). Just a couple normal trials, and can't recall any normal raids or fresh alliance raids. Only particularly long dungeon was a 40-minute Grand Cosmos.
-DPS duties (did maybe ~20) were generally guildhests, EX trials, and normal raids. Only a couple dungeons, including a 40-minute Dead Ends.
-First and only tank duty was another Great Hunt EX where the healer (new and doing it for WT) struggled to get behind the bison and couldn't handle curing the burn DoTs. At the very least, they learned it could be done unsynced instead of queuing through DF.

Although queuing as a healer means you have to move at the tank's pace in a dungeon, you still have more control. Going as a tank puts you at the mercy of the healer, and going as a DPS means the tank and/or healer can struggle. Case in point: power-healing through the Grand Cosmos run resulted in zero wipes, while Dead Ends had five (all prior to Peacekeeper).

It's already been established that EX trials have issues (mentors not knowing which duty to prepare for, mentors being outnumbered or even alone entirely, tanks and healers often being new), but the fact that it takes way too long for replacements to join just further encourages others to leave and requeue. One notable example was getting Great Hunt as a DPS, watching the healer instantly bail, waiting several minutes, rejoining the same instance, trying to switch to healer, and getting put in a dungeon instead.

You're not guaranteed to have sprouts/returners or first-timers, but there tends to be at least one of either. The latter are great for second chance points, though not having the former won't even assure a smooth run (e.g. Dead Ends). If anything, it felt like Trial Roulettes had more first-timers, and that's obviously faster as well.

[Imora]

I really wouldn't bother if you've got it set to a macro with a text countdown or anything like that. It feels counterproductive since it doesn't matter if they heal you up afterwards, the heals won't go to waste as you're invulnerable and you'll just be at higher health when the effect ends(Unless 10s is all you need to finish the pull or boss or whatever). Besides that you can't really use it as a panic button if it's got the countdown on it. Maybe I'm just mean but I don't see the need to give healers a warning for SB.

Living dead though... I mean the moment a healer sees the DRK icon they should be prepared for it but since your healer can actually kill you by healing during it, then it's not a bad idea to have a warning with it.

Not anymore.

The invuln doesn't go away after healed anymore.

[Kolsykol]

Was helping a group with P3S and the leader who was playing NIN and had fancy schmancy Ultimate weapons out was acting rly weird.
Clearly didn't understand how tethers work ( aren't tethers in the Ultimates too? ) and kept doing positionals even as the tethers were about to explode, at one point he ran from the other side through the boss and stole a tether right into the stacked group and wiped everyone lol.
That same pull too he almost did the same on the first one the Tanks had good reactions tho and desperately managed to intercept fast enough most of the time but just barely.
Also died from getting clipped by plumes and boss wings.

Acted weird about it the whole time, kept insisting it wasn't their fault and '' I won't take blame for that '' and just kept doing the same thing every pull.
I tried to explain that the tethers are proximity and they could just do the positionals at max melee and they won't steal them and that if they end up on the other side then don't run through the boss like that but nope kept repeating '' I won't take blame for that ''.
It's not about blame xD...
It's about resolving the issue and making sure it doesn't happen again.
Maybe when the whole group is pointing it out too and it's repeatedly causing wipes then take the hint.

I wasn't being madge about it when I was getting lectured in P4S when healing, just take the L and accept help.
I remember this from before too but it has been a weird thing with some people who run around with Ultimate weapons, sometimes they just refuse to accept help and acknowledge that they did anything wrong.
It's like some of them view pugs as so beneath them they have huge ego problems about it.
Okay, congrats you have a static.
I don't care and it doesn't matter here lol.

[SturmChurro]

I need to remember to spam clemency when I need to on PLD. On pulls mostly. I pretty much always forget about it, unless I am in a boss fight and the healer dies. I'm the type of PLD that actually lets the healer heal me, and that can be bad sometimes.. Like not too long ago..

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I need to remember to spam clemency when I need to on PLD. On pulls mostly. I pretty much always forget about it, unless I am in a boss fight and the healer dies. I'm the type of PLD that actually lets the healer heal me, and that can be bad sometimes.. Like not too long ago..

It’s also a great aggro generator! I use it -a lot- on dungeons that have a certain portion where the packs aggro you but remains untargetable because chances are the rando healer will almost always slap their Regen(s) before I can hit anything. Ghimlyt Dark & 2nd to last pull in Dead Ends are great moments to flex that big blue healer brain

[LogicHatesMe]

It’s also a great aggro generator! I use it -a lot- on dungeons that have a certain portion where the packs aggro you but remains untargetable because chances are the rando healer will almost always slap their Regen(s) before I can hit anything. Ghimlyt Dark & 2nd to last pull in Dead Ends are great moments to flex that big blue healer brain

Guilty. I'm often spamming regen on the Tank too early in pulls.

[Katoar]

It’s also a great aggro generator! I use it -a lot- on dungeons that have a certain portion where the packs aggro you but remains untargetable because chances are the rando healer will almost always slap their Regen(s) before I can hit anything. Ghimlyt Dark & 2nd to last pull in Dead Ends are great moments to flex that big blue healer brain

Regen is best used before the end of the pull. As long as the healer walks next to the tank it shouldn't be a problem that they used regen before the tank aggroed the second mob pack. They can swiftcast Holy, use Assylum + PoM and continue mashing Holy. The tank would have had plenty of time to regain lost aggro with AoE-s by the time the AoE stun effect has expired.

[SturmChurro]

It’s also a great aggro generator! I use it -a lot- on dungeons that have a certain portion where the packs aggro you but remains untargetable because chances are the rando healer will almost always slap their Regen(s) before I can hit anything. Ghimlyt Dark & 2nd to last pull in Dead Ends are great moments to flex that big blue healer brain

Never really thought about using it like that. When a healer puts an early regen on me, I will now typically just preemptively use an aoe ability right as the enemies are going to run past me. Timed right, you can hit them all. If one still does get past, I can also just provoke the straggler.

I am fairly new to PLD, well, I played it on my alt years ago, but most of my tanking experience is with other tanks. This is the only expansion where I actually played it past leveling it, and I didn't even level it until ShB (literally didn't even have the class), so I could get the mount.. Anyway, yeah I will need to keep practicing, because I am going to be playing it for awhile yet.

[Rilifane]

Not anymore though! DRK's Living Dead are now budget Bloodwhetting. DRKs are completely capable of taking care majority bulk of their needed HP recovery & there is no side effect for fully restoring their HP prematurely either. Unless you mean letting the timer falls off before the Walking Dead comes into effect then... yeah >_> RIP.

I admit I'll miss Bene shenanigans on Titania (and some other bosses) a bit. It never failed to get an enraged "ELLLIIII!! I hate you!!!" out of my victims friends.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Regen is best used before the end of the pull. As long as the healer walks next to the tank it shouldn't be a problem that they used regen before the tank aggroed the second mob pack. They can swiftcast Holy, use Assylum + PoM and continue mashing Holy. The tank would have had plenty of time to regain lost aggro with AoE-s by the time the AoE stun effect has expired.

I agree with you. Although I was referring to the case where rando healer would just slap me one before the pull even started. If any it's just a minor annoyance. I generally would try to catch as much in a single AoE then just run forward as I go down through the enmity table list firing my 20y ranged attack at any stragglers on the back. Besides, their damage taken = more eHP for me Naturally most of them would just run to bring the mob to me when we're stopping.

I admit I'll miss Bene shenanigans on Titania (and some other bosses) a bit. It never failed to get an enraged "ELLLIIII!! I hate you!!!" out of my victims friends.

I read this just when I got out from running expert 2nd time for the day to fill in for my friend as an AST---into Smileton. Got paired with a DRK who told me to stop healing them when they use walking dead in 2nd wall pull. Not my fault when I already fired Macrocosmos and placed Earthly Star long before they pop their Walking Dead >_>

I guess instead of the Bene shenanigan, THIS is how we can 'screw' them from now on *cough cough*