More summons for summoner

[Exodus-E]

Oh boy, let's address these point by point:

Lightwardens mainly innocence

The Lightwardens (including Innocence) were sin eaters, not primals.
Thus, they're completely incompatible with the Allagan discipline, which is primal-focused.

Besides, "summoning" sin eaters would be similar to "summoning" voidsent (completely different skill-set).

Moogle (I hate them in this game)

Good King Moggle Mog XII was a primal.
So aside from personal preference (thus, subjective), he could have an Egi made out of.

Shiva - I kinda feel that without Ysayle/Iceheart, it wouldn't really be Shiva and therefore I'm a bit mixed on it as a summon

The same argument could be made about Phoenix and Louisoix, yet here we are.

Bismarck - Its a big whale and i honestly dont see what it would add that others wouldn't

As opposed to Ravana (being Fire + Earth), you mean?
Having a Wind + Water summon could be interesting.

Four lords - they weren't summons so cant really be added

Well duh.
The Four Lords were powerful auspices, not primals.

Hydaelyn - Unlike zodiark, Hydealyn was Venat and she had soul death. So im not sure if it would be wierd to summon her. Its not a reason Not to include her though,

Zodiark was Elidibus before being separated from Him, so that's moot.
Also, it's a similar argument to us being able to use Phoenix as a Trance.

Alexander - As much as a love the big dude, i just dont see how it could work as a summon.

Alexander could definitely work as a Trance -> Demi-summon.

I think anything that required a living vessel is likely to be off-limits.

Counterpoint: Firebird Trance -> Demi-Phoenix.
Remember that Allagan Summoners don't summon actual primals (like, at all), but rather, either create lesser constructs based on them, or use their (left-over) essences directly unto themselves.

[Anvaire]

Oh boy, let's address these point by point:


The Lightwardens (including Innocence) were sin eaters, not primals.
Thus, they're completely incompatible with the Allagan discipline, which is primal-focused.

Besides, "summoning" sin eaters would be similar to "summoning" voidsent (completely different skill-set).


Good King Moggle Mog XII was a primal.
So aside from personal preference (thus, subjective), he could have an Egi made out of.


The same argument could be made about Phoenix and Louisoix, yet here we are.


As opposed to Ravana (being Fire + Earth), you mean?
Having a Wind + Water summon could be interesting.


Well duh.
The Four Lords were powerful auspices, not primals.


Zodiark was Elidibus before being separated from Him, so that's moot.
Also, it's a similar argument to us being able to use Phoenix as a Trance.


Alexander could definitely work as a Trance -> Demi-summon.


Counterpoint: Firebird Trance -> Demi-Phoenix.
Remember that Allagan Summoners don't summon actual primals (like, at all), but rather, either create lesser constructs based on them, or use their (left-over) essences directly unto themselves.

All a primal is, is a construct of aether, the light wardens, Sin Eaters are a corrupted mass of living aether with a polarity aligned too far with light (static) there is no convention to say that they cannot be. Based on the lore, the only requirement is to be "bathed" in the aether of the primal. by this logic the WOL should be able to resummon the Lightwardens.

Blasphemies on the other hand are different, though im not sure if it is ever stated why, only that the soul and perhaps the lving aether is completely estinguished. This is why i didnt add them to my original list.

- I think you need to learn not to act like a child and be rude. the "well duh" statement was not neccesary. Grow up.

While it is true elidibus was part of zodiark, he was separated but left behind the shell of the summon and the aether it was comprised of, which returned to the aetherial sea once he was defeated. Hydealyn conversely, burned through her aether, and her soul and had soul death after her defeat. If any aether was left after the events of MSQ it is unclear but likely it would have been completely dispersed. (Bahamut and Firebird summons work by drawing the aether from the envirnment to power their summons, not sure if this is possible with hydealyn hence why she was not included.

The reason i say Alexander wouldnt work as a summon, is that i dont see how any implementation would actually work with the abilities he had. Alexander used time and while we could get him to do some holy blasts that would just feel like a reskinned akhn morn. They could make his affects speed up or slow down enemy / player, but as a full stop would be out of the question, i honestly cant see it being implemented well. It is of course a "personal opinion" but here we are.

Also IMO the only reason we have firebird trance at all is that its aethr was scattered all over Eorzea after it defeated Bahamut, everyone there was affected by it. In that sense, like bahamut, it is a rather, unique occurence.