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    Zanarkand-Ronso's Avatar
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    What's being requested is variety. Meaningful variety. Not interesting characters being downplayed due to the bloated main cast who have to be tied to absolutely every major storyline. There's a lot of characters in this game that I like and without exception, they're always hidden away in side content or generally just brought out here and there for the occasional token cameo - and that's assuming that the writers even remember that they exist in the first place.

    I would have liked something different than another decade of the Scions and every 'new' character that joins them conveniently adapting the exact same set of morals and opinions towards absolutely everything.

    G'raha, Krile, Estinien and Alisae are also arguably not really 'new' characters given that they were all present as far back as ARR. I'd also argue that Estinien joining the Scions only served to erode away most of his grit in order to reduce him to comic relief and distance himself from the role of the 'realist' in order to have him sing the exact same song and dance as Alphinaud. What 'conflict' now exists within the group is entirely surface level and far removed from the sort of tension that existed in many of the single player titles. Such as Steiner's dynamic with Zidane, Hope's attitude towards Snow, Gladio's tension with Noctis and so on and so forth.

    Just because some people go to a restaurant and order the exact same dish each and every time that does not mean everybody else wishes to do the same thing.

    ...what game do you think you are playing?
    When a group gets together, typically they have the same goal in mind. They didnt just "conveniently adapt the exact same set of morals and opinions" they already did have the same mindset. They were a group made up of mostly Colleagues.
    Estinian never stopped being a Realist, even when Alphi's hopeless Optimism started to sink in, he was still real. So I have no idea what you are talking about here.

    Now it just sounds like you want conflict for the sake of it. What would it do for the characters or narrative to have them butting heads instead of being focused and fighting the enemy? Is that just something you find compelling?
    But Again...You make it sound like they cant still introduce "new characters with more variety and interesting personalities" they absolutly still can, and they have. And they will continue to do so. Might not suit this 'meaningful' thing that you go on about that doesnt make any sense, but you can count on new characters regardless.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    If you want "more dynamics" like these characters, then we pretty much already have it.
    It sounds like the argument is that they all need to be complete opposites in every single way, and so they but heads and derail the journey for the sake of conflict and artificial tension.
    Not to completely drown the concept, it happens in many stories, but Im not sure how that will make any of the characters or the storyline in FFXIV more interesting. But again its not like they cant just introduce new characters later that will fulfill that.
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    Victoria Crowny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    It sounds like the argument is that they all need to be complete opposites in every single way, and so they but heads and derail the journey for the sake of conflict and artificial tension.
    No, if I had to take a stab in the dark, after seeing this argument come up enough times and the way it's made, I think the sentiment is dual-result of sour grapes ("How come X character I liked better died, while Y Scion(s) I don't like get to live?") along with dictator apologism ("How come X country that had dictator Y doesn't have one anymore after the Scions beat them and instead have Z republic?").

    The two arguments kind of compress together into "the Scions' morality has ruined everything I like about the story and I want them gone".

    Again, this is just the impression I get after seeing these exact points brought up ad nauseum by the same people.
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