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  1. #51
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    Jojoya Joya
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    The main problem would be the character animations. I doubt they would remove books completely (that would upset a lot of players) so whatever new object was selected would have to work with the same animations. The secondary problem would be the immersion factor not so much from "it's not a book!" but rather than SMN/SCH cast their spells by tracing arcane geometries using aetherically charged ink.

    A scroll could fit in both scenarios. Where a book opens/shuts would be the scroll unrolling/rolling. Easy enough to trace the geometries onto a scroll as much as a book.

    An Ironworks created "computer tablet" would probably also work since aetheric manipulation is part of their designs yet I can't see how it would look significantly different from a book.

    Someone had mentioned floating crystals - would those briefly form into a floating geometry then reset into a "rest" state within a box? That could work since the additional animation would be with the weapon as opposed to the character and crystal are of course aetherically charged.

    Staff wouldn't work because of the character animations.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonsutaMan View Post
    FFXIV places too much emphasis on weapons. The fact a Warrior cannot wield a sword, despite doing it in other FF titles is insane......

    Just make it like Champions Online, your weapon is an accessory to your powers. Powers dictate your role. You can wield guns as a healer, fist as a tank, or staves as a dd/dps.

    (I feel like I already typed this and my power went out or something.......)
    Weapon is the class/job identity in this game. They're not going to completely remake the system at this point.
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  2. #52
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    The main problem would be the character animations. I doubt they would remove books completely (that would upset a lot of players) so whatever new object was selected would have to work with the same animations. The secondary problem would be the immersion factor not so much from "it's not a book!" but rather than SMN/SCH cast their spells by tracing arcane geometries using aetherically charged ink.

    A scroll could fit in both scenarios. Where a book opens/shuts would be the scroll unrolling/rolling. Easy enough to trace the geometries onto a scroll as much as a book.

    An Ironworks created "computer tablet" would probably also work since aetheric manipulation is part of their designs yet I can't see how it would look significantly different from a book.

    Someone had mentioned floating crystals - would those briefly form into a floating geometry then reset into a "rest" state within a box? That could work since the additional animation would be with the weapon as opposed to the character and crystal are of course aetherically charged.

    Staff wouldn't work because of the character animations.


    Weapon is the class/job identity in this game. They're not going to completely remake the system at this point.
    Yeah, a complete change of weapon is VERY unlikely to happen because a lot of things would need to be overhauled.

    But I mean, if Sages and Monks get to have 3 different templates for their weapons, I don't see why books can't have additional variations as well.

    Wishful thinking but I'd love a SMN weapon that is like just a small case with ink and brush (far eastern themed) and the "book" actually has rolled up sleeves into the glove model for painted sigils on your arms.
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    Erin Ellza
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    My only issue with books is how huge they are. 98% of them clip with my arm/glam. I just want something tiny like some of the low lvl books. Or a Hingan scroll that rolls out in combat.
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erinellza View Post
    My only issue with books is how huge they are. 98% of them clip with my arm/glam. I just want something tiny like some of the low lvl books. Or a Hingan scroll that rolls out in combat.
    There's always gonna be something going on. This is why we get the option to hide when sheathed.
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    There's always gonna be something going on. This is why we get the option to hide when sheathed.
    Sometimes people really want to see the weapon sheathed, and different sizes help with sorting out the ones that won't clip through your things.
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    Nadia Frostwind
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    Sorry, but I don't think the books are boring. In fact, I kinda like them when you active auto-attack and finish a creature with the "weight of the knowledge" on their very faces xD

    This is an exclusive thing, you see?

    I really enjoy that!
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    Kupo, it reminds me toons in various universes where the guy cuts with playing cards lol... it just works and we are not supposed to question why kupo <3 rofl jk
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    Mango Durango
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    This would be actually really distinct visually looking! The moogle book has a papercut moogle and looks great. I could see the idea kind of amplified for this concept. I could see that cutout theme being executed with a Wondrous Tails themed book.
    Khloe's Storybook is one of the winners of the weapons design contest. It might not have any pop-up pages though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    An Ironworks created "computer tablet" would probably also work since aetheric manipulation is part of their designs yet I can't see how it would look significantly different from a book.
    Which is why I really like the Portable Summoning Terminal finalist from the weapons design contest!
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I wonder if I'm the only one thinking like this... I love Summoners and Scholars, but it's a bit hard to stand the weapon they wield sometimes. It would be great if we could we get at least one book that looks like something else for them.

    We have examples with nearly every other job of weapons that don't look like their designated type, like Monks with kettles, Black Mages with a big brush, Dragoons with a pole staff, White Mages with a scythe, Gunbreakers with a club... As long as it follows the basic shape of the job's arms.

    Books, however, are probably the most boring weapon of them all, because they rarely go outside of the box. The ones that may look a bit unorthodox like the level 87 dungeon book, still look like books with pages in the end of the day.

    I feel that it can be still possible to abide to the shape with different formats, like a book with a holographic display instead of paper (why the Scaevan ones aren't like this?), or a tablet with a bunch of floating crystals, given in XIV crystals can also be a repository of knowledge. I don't even think not having pages would be such a huge issue animation wise as the weapon itself is still static (as in, no actual pages flipping over).

    Also a disclaimer, I'm not advocating for a complete change in the weapon design, but at least one or two cases of something different for once.

    edit: I do have many ideas for books, and I am aware of the weapon contest and the fact that I could propose an idea with a submission. However, I live in a country that (after extensively reading the rules) I found out it is not eligible to participate.
    Interesting take considering a book in a real life can stop fatal/critical entry of a pointed blade, sharp edge, and even stop a high caliber bullet in its tracks, while the spine of a book can quite literally smash a skull, and incave a person's face. Remember, this example is a RL book. Fantasy books do all of that and can also weave enchantments, spells, and summon beings of untold strength to assist the caster.

    What do you want a SCH/SMN to have? Books are friggin awesome as weapons.
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    Shuuli Vondael
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    I like the HW summoner book

    I also like the tiny butterflies on the ShB second or third step book for scholar.

    But the problem is that this is mostly all of the books I like and use for a while now

    I liked the new design brought with the level 70 books, that open and there is a little spinning disk. But there is no shiney version

    Books could have different shapes (like circle shaped book or heart shaped book, or god forbid butterfly shaped book for scholar) and there could be pop out books that could be made as well...
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