Be nice to nooob tanks ffs

[SilverSkyway]

Another note.
Most post I see and even I mention it. Dungeons.

But Trials and Ally raids where it a tough boss and you need tank switch.

[Equitable_Remedy]

The best advice that I can give to sprout tanks: don't level tank as your first character.

It's not that tanking is particularly hard relative to anything else, it's that there are norms associated with tanking that you don't get to see (and learn) if you are always the tank. Sprout tanks have a rough time not because they can't press mitigation buttons (though many don't), but because they violate norms (without having any idea that they're doing it).

[Katoar]

Sprout tanks should focus only on learning how to get aggro and managing CDs. Your job is to tank. After they have mastered that aspect of the job they can devote time to mastering the rotation of the tank they are playing. A tank that pulls wall to wall and uses CDs while messing his combo > a tank that pulls wall to wall whose HP is melting because of poor CD usage > a tank that does perfect 1-2-3 on 3 mobs.

[HolyReign]

When I first started Tanking, after leveling my first job (WHM.) to 90, I knew what I was getting into, I knew the expectations that people have for Tanks and it didn't bother me at all.

I started, W2W pulling and just kept up with it.

[Seku]

The best advice that I can give to sprout tanks: don't level tank as your first character.

It's not that tanking is particularly hard relative to anything else, it's that there are norms associated with tanking that you don't get to see (and learn) if you are always the tank. Sprout tanks have a rough time not because they can't press mitigation buttons (though many don't), but because they violate norms (without having any idea that they're doing it).

I counter with, push them towards actually learning materials on how to do their job properly since SE sucks at doing that.

Dps can be bad if they don't know how to master their rotation, positional, and knowing when to use an AoE combo or not.
Healer's probably won't know that as soon as they get HoT's they should start learning now to hard cast cures and instead just use OGCDs more and more.

In short, none of the normal play styles are intuitive for any role and telling them to "not play a tank" will only get them to run into one of the other two situations.

[LeonKeyh]

The best advice that I can give to sprout tanks: don't level tank as your first character.

It's not that tanking is particularly hard relative to anything else, it's that there are norms associated with tanking that you don't get to see (and learn) if you are always the tank. Sprout tanks have a rough time not because they can't press mitigation buttons (though many don't), but because they violate norms (without having any idea that they're doing it).

No matter what it is that you play, playing the other 2 roles will always make you better at it. This isn't just a tank thing.

Playing a healer will make you realize when you play DPS that your healer notices every single mistake that you make and it'll make you realize and appreciate that DPS jobs have ways of healing themselves after mistakes.

Playing a tank will make you realize when you play DPS that you'll want to stand ontop of the tank if you happen to grab aggro from something, instead of running around trying to kite it.

That doesn't mean though that you won't be able to learn plenty well by just playing tank. DPS/Healers will start pulling more if you go slow, that's your "lesson." It's ok to not know everything you need to know before you start, just pick up on subtle things like that.

[Bonkleberry]

If the tank is not making the biggest pulls possible, it always makes me chuckle when people freak out about it. The DPS want a better chance to pad the damage meters we are not supposed to be using and the healers are just being control freaks as large pulls mean more healing and smaller pulls mean more DPSing, so the buttons they press do not really change.

Do larger pulls mean faster dunegon runs? Only if all three roles can handle the pulls, so just let people play how they are the most comfortable playing and stop making a stink about it, causing drama and possibly wipes. It is just a video game.

[Katoar]

If the tank is not making the biggest pulls possible, it always makes me chuckle when people freak out about it. The DPS want a better chance to pad the damage meters we are not supposed to be using and the healers are just being control freaks as large pulls mean more healing and smaller pulls mean more DPSing, so the buttons they press do not really change.

Do larger pulls mean faster dunegon runs? Only if all three roles can handle the pulls, so just let people play how they are the most comfortable playing and stop making a stink about it, causing drama and possibly wipes. It is just a video game.

I'd rather wipe to a wall to wall pull than have the tank pull 2 mobs at a time.

Also, you might be lacking sufficient experience as a healer. Even during wall to wall, GCDs can be and should be used only for DPS.

[Veranolth]

The best advice that I can give to sprout tanks: don't level tank as your first character.

It's not that tanking is particularly hard relative to anything else, it's that there are norms associated with tanking that you don't get to see (and learn) if you are always the tank. Sprout tanks have a rough time not because they can't press mitigation buttons (though many don't), but because they violate norms (without having any idea that they're doing it).

I kind of disagree with giving that advice. I find you're better off leveling a tank as your first job, then branch out by trying DPS and healer to get that additional insight to see what other tanks might be doing different and how it feels when you're playing something like melee DPS and learning positionals, or how it feels for healers to play with W2W vs single pull tanks.

[Silverbane]

Also, you might be lacking sufficient experience as a healer. Even during wall to wall, GCDs can be and should be used only for DPS.

Really? The only healer class below level 30 is Conjurer, and the first WHM instant-cast heal (Regen) comes at level 35, and the next is Benediction at level 50 (with a 3 minute cooldown).

So, Katoar, since you are apparently a healer expert, enlighten us: what is this off-GCD healing spell that a Conjurer/WHM should be using on W2W pulls by newbie tanks?