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This again goes into that "finale" point I was talking about before. Estinien, Thancred, Urianger... even the WOL have all gone through hardships and lost people they care about. Alisaie lost a good friend on the First. I know you don't like G'raha, but even he's been through some stuff for over a century. Alphinaud and Y'shtola...I honestly can't remember, so you kinda got me there.

As I said, I don't particularly care that they didn't "suffer more" in Endwalker specifically.



I mean, the antagonists in question are Fandaniel, Meteion and Zenos. The prior two are preoccupied trying to kill pretty much everybody all at once and the latter is hyper-focused on killing one person, who is literally the player. I'm not exactly sure what kind of ending was being expected here.

Also ignoring the "plot armor" part. We've been over that ad nauseam, and I'm not getting into that again.



Again, the only way you can argue the characters haven't suffered "lasting consequences" is if you look at Endwalker completely on its own and divorced from the rest of the story. Again, I don't particularly disagree with the sentiment that the expansion was toothless on its own merits, but again....I don't see this as some absolute, objective failing of writing as you seem to be implying it is.



Again, the majority of these games have main characters die in the first or second acts of the story. Not the final act, which is what Endwalker is. Of the games you listed, the ones that count for that are FF6 FF9, and I think FF2....but it's been a while since I've played it.

At this point, I feel like we're going in circles.
Again, look at ShB not just EW where again, the protagonists had 0 consequences despite going against the strongest foes they’ve ever faced and had nothing to show for it. Theyve had more losses from far weaker foes than literal unsundered ancients, yet somehow they triumph with not even a scratch. As for people going through things…Alisaie lost a friend whom we knew for about 5 minutes. Yshtola….lost nothing really. Same with Alphinaud. Urianger’s loss was 9-10 years ago(irl obviously), Graha slept through most of the 8UC but sure i guess we can say he struggled on the first even though i’m pretty sure the npcs say he mostly just stays cooped up in his tower 24/7. Either way, it’s pretty sad when minor npcs have to suffer more than the main cast who fight literal demigods.

As far as the 11 connection goes, while i haven’t played it i did see some comments on here a few days ago where while they might not kill people off left and right, you at least typically get new faces every expansion and not the same bland cast of characters like the scions so….