This is your regular reminder that apartments are a thing.

[Mimilu]

What about FCs that can't get a house?

[Kyssa]

What about FCs that can't get a house?

They'll likely tell you to gather in an inn, settle on a small house (most servers have these in abundance right now due to the uneven ward distribution) or merge with a larger FC that has a medium/large house to reside in. That wouldn't be my take on things, but that's likely what you'll hear.

[Besame]

Small houses are really ok for FCS people! I have one, it works fine. In fact I have not even attempted to enlarge it because the small works My 4x subs and 2x airships are maxed and bringing in what I need same as big houses. Get creative with inside deco and lofts if you need space. A FC is a place to gather for activity. chat with comrades: and perhaps craft and garden imo. There is no need for bedrooms. I do however, have a bathroom or it could get nasty hehe.

[Jojoya]

This. I'm already max level with my chocobo, and can't get any higher without paying crack prices on the onions. Until gardening is accessible in apartments, this as a solution to housing is moot.

This comes up often and yet no matter how much we try to explain what it's like to grow them, people still complain about the price.

So out of curiosity, what do you expect the process to grow Thavnairian Onions is, and how much do you think the out of pocket costs will be to do it if you try to shortcut some of the steps?

Current lowest prices on the Crystal Data Center:
Thavnairian Onion - 138k (Brynhildr)
Thavnairian Onion seed - 125k (Goblin and Malboro)

Those aren't crack prices. The crack prices were back when BLU first came out and everyone was using BLU to level up their chocobos fast so they were going for 750k-1 million each. Do a typical 2 hour map party and you'll walk away with enough gil to buy 2-4 onions at the current normal market prices depending on dungeon RNG.

As someone who's grown the onions for personal/FC use on occasion in the past, I highly recommend just buying them off the MB. They're really not worth growing unless you're going to do it long term for profit. It doesn't that take long to earn the gil and you don't need them that frequently unless you're going out of your way to hard grind your chocobo XP.

Also, since you're saying you just hit max rank and can't go farther without the onions, are you aware you can get 2 as quest rewards? The first quest is Landing a Stable Job in Ishgard (the Jeweled Crozier area) (quick and easy, takes less than 5 minutes). The second quest is A Hunter's True Nature in Tailfeather, which is the middle of a side story quest chain that starts with I Wanna Be the Hunter (get from Loupard). Expect an hour to get all the involved quests completed.

What about FCs that can't get a house?

What FCs that can't get a house?

Every world has available FC houses at the moment. Even after the ward redistribution on the 10th, FCs won't be in danger of not being able to get a house. If the available houses in wards 1-9 disappear, SE will move some of the other wards back to FC purchase.

If your FC is having a problem winning a lottery at the moment, make certain to wait until the last possible moment to enter and pick a plot with no other entries.

[Eraden]

My choco is already max rank. Didn't take long getting him there by doing map runs with FC mates. The Thav Onions were no big issue for me. At anywhere from 130 to 160K per Onion, they were barely a dent in my pocketbook. For me, getting a house was never about gardening. To be honest I don't really care much for gardening in this game (weird because I am a biologist IRL). I want a house simply for more space that would allow me more options for decorating (also less claustrophobic for me). Now, if apartments would be revamped so that we could have larger apartments, I'd just go to a bigger apartment and never take another look at a house.

[MistyMew]

Let the record show SE has still failed to provide enough HOUSES for their player base yet continues to use said feature as a selling point when it is practically unavailable for the majority of players. Borderline fraud.

Shame on you se, how low budget, talentless and tacky for a multi billion dollar company

[Eraden]

Let the record show SE has still failed to provide enough HOUSES for their player base yet continues to use said feature as a selling point when it is practically unavailable for the majority of players. Borderline fraud.

Shame on you se, how low budget, talentless and tacky for a multi billion dollar company

You know, there is another possible reason for all of this besides the money. It is entirely possible that the code is so mucked up that the game is too far gone for being able to be modified by anyone inhouse and I've been told on a few occasions that SE is notorious for avoiding bringing in outside help, short of a catastrophe (like 1.0). Now, I'm not saying that this is actually the case. In the absence of any information from SE, however, we have to consider ALL of the possibilities. Right now, we just don't know WHY SE has not addressed this issue in any meaningful way.

[Besame]

You know, there is another possible reason for all of this besides the money. It is entirely possible that the code is so mucked up that the game is too far gone for being able to be modified by anyone inhouse and I've been told on a few occasions that SE is notorious for avoiding bringing in outside help, short of a catastrophe (like 1.0). Now, I'm not saying that this is actually the case. In the absence of any information from SE, however, we have to consider ALL of the possibilities. Right now, we just don't know WHY SE has not addressed this issue in any meaningful way.

If they would just be totally honest as to the reason why this has not been addressed to the playerbase. If it either cannot or they just will not address it satisfactorily, let the people know and tell us the reasons why. Bandaid fixes, and skirting around or just not replying to the issues and questions we all have, makes SE apprear inept and/or uncaring. Don't force your playerbase to come here and make multiple complaints for years, argue with each other or wish in one hand, poop in the other to absolutely no avail. In other words SE. grow a spine.

[Issaella]

This comes up often and yet no matter how much we try to explain what it's like to grow them, people still complain about the price.

So out of curiosity, what do you expect the process to grow Thavnairian Onions is, and how much do you think the out of pocket costs will be to do it if you try to shortcut some of the steps?

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As someone who's grown the onions for personal/FC use on occasion in the past, I highly recommend just buying them off the MB. They're really not worth growing unless you're going to do it long term for profit. It doesn't that take long to earn the gil and you don't need them that frequently unless you're going out of your way to hard grind your chocobo XP.

^This. You can make more gil for the same amount of time and less effort/monitoring growing Voidrake/Lavendar and selling the expensive mats you can trade for compared to onions. Someone in a similar thread posted break down a few days ago and if you watch the mat prices (people are buying these mats to make housing items and they will need a lot of them come the 10th) and trade in for the most expensive ones on the MB the amount of gil is 2-2.5x what you could sell the onions for. Both those can be grown even in pots, no x-breeding required.

What FCs that can't get a house?

Mimilu is making a disingenuous argument. What they really mean is what about the FCs who can't get a med or large. But even that I have doubts since on most servers there are meds available in FC area even now. If your FC hasn't gotten a house at this point it because you refuse to settle for a small (3.5 mil, with a partial refund even if you upgrade later) or you haven't hit the 30 day FC timer yet. There is literally no other reason when you can bid on 100s of small plots in Empy or dozens that have been vacated and left empty in the other wards.

I have a small personal on my main and an apt on my alt on Balmung. I actually like my apt a lot and was able to do a lot with it, because of all the stuff I learned how to do furnishing my house on my main. You can do a lot in an apartment with lofts these days. That said, I would really like to see them increase the item limit by 20-30 items. I'm happy with it, but I would like more clutter/fluff items to place. If SE were to increase the item limit I wouldn't even bother with trying to do Housing Ult (bidding on a plot on Balmung) on my alt.

[Raim]

Actually apartments are running dry too. Nearly all the Ishgard ones are now taken. And they don't seem to be adding more of them despite saying they could based on demand.