Stop doubling down on Auto Crits and homogenizing jobs because of this

[DixieBellOCE]

When damage variance from dh/crit/crit+dh looks bad? When you have a bunch of skills with 2000+ potiencies on 2 min cooldown so if nothing procs it will look bad: missing damage from gambling you can't even control.

But is it because crit mechanic overall is bad?

Or it comes from devs lazyness to even play a job to certain level so they put such drastic potencies in 2 minute cooldowns so it's either win or lose every 2 minutes.

Auto crits is terrible approach to try to fix what devs had did themselfs. Is it hard to play with potencies of every skills in rotation to just simply spread some bits from 2 min cooldowns into rotation loop? Oh wait, this requires some competent person to do this work.

The genius behind SAM auto crit thought that some damage variance will be bad in ultimate ... Thanks to him as SAM i can't find any static to do DSR... You either play NIN/MNK/DRG or switch roles. SE literally ruined first ultimate patch for me.

And to add insult to injury as recent Live Letter states they are going to do adjust crit buffs to work with auto crit abilities ..... which 99% is going to be just plain damage buff. This will easily lead to homogenizing buffs even more - all of them will be same % damage up after some patches.

After WAR, SAM who is next? DRG (which obviously on the way), DRK (this is literally 5th dps at this point with these 2 minute potencies, devs destroyed SAM/DNC combo and now sometimes DNC should switch DP to TANK in DSR ...), GNB, NIN (that is new SAM of this god awful patch)

boo hoo my class that's been the best in the game for years is not meta anymore, *sob sob sob* buff my job its bad..

Nobody is going to bench a static member because they want to play samurai, it sounds like a YOU problem.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

And the people deliberately farming logs are generally not the people that complain about it.
It just makes me wonder who this change was for? Who asked for it? Sure, bad rng can be frustrating but making everyone's damage into a perfectly predictable flatline with an equally perfectly predictable spike every 2min doesn't make it better.

The people who want to do big number but can’t stand the idea of mastering their job.

[Raven2014]

Ahh, another example of why I hate FFlog.

- My DPS is trash if I don't crit on my burst window.
- Why does class A have guanratee crit and not class B

yadayada. Face it, none of this would mean a damn without the existence of FFlog.

The genius behind SAM auto crit thought that some damage variance will be bad in ultimate ... Thanks to him as SAM i can't find any static to do DSR... You either play NIN/MNK/DRG or switch roles. SE literally ruined first ultimate patch for me.

Then you either are a bad SAM and you're talking to bad people. I always hear this argument every single patch cycle every single time someone don't like the change made to their class. Admit the problems lie with you, or stop making stuff up.

[Raven2014]

The people who want to do big number but can’t stand the idea of mastering their job.

Can confirm. A good example right now is PLD. Most "tried hard" PLD will complain exactly that, it's a flatline boring rotation. But the amount of optimizing done by a master PLD will result a night and day difference comparing to a average one.

[Shurrikhan]

The people who want to do big number but can’t stand the idea of mastering their job.

But, that doesn't make any sense, either.

One's mastery doesn't make a given attack any stronger. That's gear and, at most, a matter of hitting Kaiten before Namikiri.

And auto-crits don't improve one's average dps, nor one's percentile. It doesn't even reduce the standard deviation of a given parse relative to its job, as all other parses by that job will have tightened identically.

"People want lower skill ceilings" could explain the removal of Kaiten, but not the addition of auto-crits. The latter has zero connection to skill ceiling.

So, to break up your claim by interpretation:

• Big number as in floating combat text --> No, auto-crits made the numbers smaller, just more consistently punctuated (with an "!").
  
• Big number as in damage over time --> No, auto-crits have zero impact on that besides causing the job to scale slightly differently with Critical Hit stat.

[Shurrikhan]

Ahh, another example of why I hate FFlog.

- My DPS is trash if I don't crit on my burst window.
- Why does class A have guanratee crit and not class B

yadayada. Face it, none of this would mean a damn without the existence of FFlog.

It means no more or less with or without FFlogs. Did you miss a hard enrage specifically because your one or two skills crit so rarely that they dealt less damage than a nerfed potency auto-crit? No? Then it didn't matter.

A parse's comparison to others of the same job will not even be affected by auto-crits; it just means that every other form of RNG (Shinten crits, for instance) takes up a larger part of the deviation between any two player's parses. If the difference between a 50th percentile and 75th percentile on a given day was 1k, it might then be 900, but your actions and luck will be just as heavy of factors as before.

Anti-synergy with raid-buffs aside, auto-crits are more an aesthetic element than anything else, trading bigger !/!! numbers for at least an ! every time.

Their relevance for actual performance is limited to where there'd be a vital damage threshold not otherwise met within such time as the given skill would not yet be reasonably likely to have crit naturally.

[Raven2014]

It means no more or less with or without FFlogs. Did you miss a hard enrage specifically because your one or two skills crit so rarely that they dealt less damage than a nerfed potency auto-crit? No? Then it didn't matter.

Exactly my point?

If you're a few crit away from an enrage, then the real issue is not with the crit, but your party. My group got passed Nighogg this week with no LB and even a DMG down, so that kind of margin doesn't matter even in Ultimate. This is a game where the developers actively want good players to carry the bad, so fights have so much margin in them that the only reason to squeeze out every last bit of output is to chase a parse.

A parse's comparison to others of the same job will not even be affected by auto-crits;

But people are not just comparing to same class, most of the class balance drama have always stem from people peaking over their shouldr and compare their own stuffs with other classes.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

But, that doesn't make any sense, either.

One's mastery doesn't make a given attack any stronger. That's gear and, at most, a matter of hitting Kaiten before Namikiri.

And auto-crits don't improve one's average dps, nor one's percentile. It doesn't even reduce the standard deviation of a given parse relative to its job, as all other parses by that job will have tightened identically.

"People want lower skill ceilings" could explain the removal of Kaiten, but not the addition of auto-crits. The latter has zero connection to skill ceiling.

So, to break up your claim by interpretation:

• Big number as in floating combat text --> No, auto-crits made the numbers smaller, just more consistently punctuated (with an "!").
  
• Big number as in damage over time --> No, auto-crits have zero impact on that besides causing the job to scale slightly differently with Critical Hit stat.

You're absolutely on point, it's only half true regarding what was done to Kaiten. I was merely assuming so because I found it hard to dismiss the possibility of adding auto crit (1.5x) based from the old Kaiten's 1.5x multiplier to next weaponskill without accounting gear.

[Shurrikhan]

You're absolutely on point, it's only half true regarding what was done to Kaiten. I was merely assuming so because I found it hard to dismiss the possibility of adding auto crit (1.5x) based from the old Kaiten's 1.5x multiplier to next weaponskill without accounting gear.

Right. My point was merely that those are two separate steps.

They could as easily have just left Kaiten's damage baked into Iaijutsu directly instead of converting it auto-crit, and the skill ceiling would be unchanged.

The removal of Kaiten cost skill ceiling. That they used auto-crit instead of a 50% damage buff is irrelevant.

[Stasya]

*sob sob sob* buff my job its bad..

A troll that can't even read post. And based on your second sentence if you read this don't forget that they unlock savage soon you need it.