The goalpost has shifted from 4 months to 4.5 months

[Moonlite]

SHHHH
Dont say that, or you'll be called a White Knight and a Shill.

Or you know instead they could say SE can hire more people. Also unless SE gets lucky some years we will only see two patches. Strange WoW was vilified for having two patches in a year. But this community "relaxed and healthier dev team" Hell we won't know till 17 comes out, but these changes could have nothing to do with health and more siphoned talent or stretching people over two games. You know a company doesn't get to be known as the EA of japan by accident.

[MintnHoney]

Or you know instead they could say SE can hire more people. Also unless SE gets lucky some years we will only see two patches. Strange WoW was vilified for having two patches in a year. But this community "relaxed and healthier dev team" Hell we won't know till 17 comes out, but these changes could have nothing to do with health and more siphoned talent or stretching people over two games. You know a company doesn't get to be known as the EA of japan by accident.

SHHHH
Don't say that, or the White Knights will shit their tighty whities and call you a doomsaying Negative Nancy while thanking their god, Yoshi-P, for not reading these forums (but also, thereby, leaves them to suffer).

[Striker44]

Or you know instead they could say SE can hire more people. Also unless SE gets lucky some years we will only see two patches. Strange WoW was vilified for having two patches in a year. But this community "relaxed and healthier dev team" Hell we won't know till 17 comes out, but these changes could have nothing to do with health and more siphoned talent or stretching people over two games. You know a company doesn't get to be known as the EA of japan by accident.

That's mainly because of the clientele. WoW went the way of eSports, and the eSports crowd is overwhelmingly toxic. FFXIV caters to the more human and humane crowd (well, except perhaps for these forums, which in general are havens of toxic extremism). Hence we give the dev team a pass for being human while enjoying the game they've developed for us

[Lauront]

the very most rose tinted of glasses

Yeah, just like some of the responses here.

Overflowing with humanity and empathy, truly.

[jameseoakes]

Yeah, just like some of the responses here.

Overflowing with humanity and empathy, truly.

Well if you purge all dissent then I guess it makes things look that way

[Kolsykol]

Or you know instead they could say SE can hire more people. Also unless SE gets lucky some years we will only see two patches. Strange WoW was vilified for having two patches in a year. But this community "relaxed and healthier dev team" Hell we won't know till 17 comes out, but these changes could have nothing to do with health and more siphoned talent or stretching people over two games. You know a company doesn't get to be known as the EA of japan by accident.

They should hire more people to work those extra 1-2 weeks?
You don't just simply hire more people, in some cases hiring more people can just make things more complicated.
There's definitely such a thing as too many hands in a kitchen.

They want to treat their staff properly and as a result we have to deal with 1-2 extra weeks.
This is like how people are unwilling to pay a few extra cents at restaurants so that people can make a decent living, treating people like human beings actually does come with some side-effects too.

There's no real evidence that FFXIV is suffering because of 17, we're getting A LOT of content and we got multiple reworks last patch plus they've already laid out what's to come in the future which entails even more overhauls and reworks including a graphical overhaul which is an enormous investement of time and resources.
This whole thing about '' siphoned talent and stretching people over two games '' is just speculation, you have no clue what role they had or how extensive it actually was.

It's the same when people come up with conspiracy theories because part of the profits of FFXIV went into 17 when that's just how things work.
Basically all publishers and studios does that, not all resources made by WoW gets invested back into WoW either it gets invested elsewhere and Blizzard also has devs that overlap between projects too this is just normal depending on position.
Not all devs are always going to have the same workload in their '' main project '' so to speak, instead of having them do nothing you can put them to work on another project for the time being.
The art department is usually a good example of this, they have very high workloads that happen during specific phases of development and then it slows down.

Edit:

Source

Previously, major FFXIV patches were scheduled to launch every three-and-a-half months, barring any major development difficulties forcing a delay. Starting with the 6.X patch series, updates will now be scheduled for release every four months, adding an extra two weeks of wait time between the big patches. The devs say that the two extra weeks are for “implementation” and “fine-tuning”, and you can expect another week’s time added during summer and New Year’s holidays, too.

“Looking at our schedule and how we work, I do want my team to be healthy, and to be able to maintain a good level of quality because they’re taking the necessary breaks,” director and producer Naoki Yoshida says via translator in the latest live letter. “To be honest, there were areas where we might not have performed as well as we should have, because some of us may have been pushing too hard.”

Thank you, I remembered this but couldn't find it.
Having a healthy work environment is important and people will do their job better when they're happy.

[Vrankyl]

Or you know instead they could say SE can hire more people. Also unless SE gets lucky some years we will only see two patches. Strange WoW was vilified for having two patches in a year. But this community "relaxed and healthier dev team" Hell we won't know till 17 comes out, but these changes could have nothing to do with health and more siphoned talent or stretching people over two games. You know a company doesn't get to be known as the EA of japan by accident.

I honestly can't remember the last time WoW got two patches in a year, and they were vilified for far more reasons than just that *gestures at WoD, BFA, and SL*. And if we're comparing current state of patches... Shadowlands released 11/23/20, Patch 9.1 was released 6/29/21, and Patch 9.2 was released 2/22/22. That's 7 months between launch and the first major content patch, and then another 8 months before the second major content patch. We've got a bit to go before SE sinks that low. Now it would be lovely if SE hired more Devs, but their requirements are fairly high and it doesn't seem like they want to reduce them. So, until such a time that they can better expand the team I am fine with an extra 1-2 weeks to get the patch out. Now if we start going to 5 and then 6 months, then yes something needs to be addressed.

[YukinaErde]

I honestly can't remember the last time WoW got two patches in a year, and they were vilified for far more reasons than just that *gestures at WoD, BFA, and SL*. And if we're comparing current state of patches... Shadowlands released 11/23/20, Patch 9.1 was released 6/29/21, and Patch 9.2 was released 2/22/22. That's 7 months between launch and the first major content patch, and then another 8 months before the second major content patch. We've got a bit to go before SE sinks that low. Now it would be lovely if SE hired more Devs, but their requirements are fairly high and it doesn't seem like they want to reduce them. So, until such a time that they can better expand the team I am fine with an extra 1-2 weeks to get the patch out. Now if we start going to 5 and then 6 months, then yes something needs to be addressed.

having come from wow myself a couple years back, the absolute entitlement of some people in this community astonishes me. Y'all really dont understand how good you have it with SE. boo hoo 2 more weeks, you'd think there was a new calamity with how much they are complaining.

[NekoMataMata]

having come from wow myself a couple years back, the absolute entitlement of some people in this community astonishes me. Y'all really dont understand how good you have it with SE. boo hoo 2 more weeks, you'd think there was a new calamity with how much they are complaining.

I really don't have an opinion on the topic but...

You on the other hand seem to think that because FF14 fulfils your expectations while WoW did not that the people here are also naturally fulfilled and happy? That they're ungrateful because you received poor treatment elsewhere?

We can gate people's happiness or expectations on anything, but all that really does is change where the bar for those expectations is set. It doesn't mean it's right.