Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[EaraGrace]

I'm still calling BS on this one, Eara. I disagree and 1000% reject the notion that The Plenty was a guaranteed extinction route. The Plenty all died out because the story wanted them to. Their society didn't collapse. They didn't die out to resource shortages or unsustainability or any form of external crisis. They chose to kill themselves because the story wanted the Buddhist argument of "life without death and suffering is meaningless" to be correct. I reject the argument that this philosophy, whether it comes from Buddhism or not, is the sole inevitable response to a world of complete betterment.

Imagine for a brief moment you end up in the very western conception of heaven. A paradise without flaw. Spend year after year experiencing that perfection. Then wake up tomorrow knowing there’s nothing new to experience, nothing new to do, nothing new to create, and tell me what you live for. You live in perfection, nothing else can compare, nothing could be better. Everything else is lesser.

Now tell me. What do you live for in such a world?

"None resemble machines?" Meteion was literally programmed with a scheduled status report that completely eliminated the free will and self.

And supplanted it with a hive mind with free will. The individual Omicron did not have free will, but Sir did. And look what both Meteion and Sir chose.

Likewise, convincing a device not to kill itself to run whatever program you want it to run is basically what almost every modern machine with any form of complexity needs to do. Why do large computers and machines based on intricate circuitry have a cooling device?

Pumping water through a series of tubes is not equivalent to a sentient consciousness needing a reason to live. This is a ridiculous comparison. Dynamis is more akin to praying to the machine spirit, which pretty aptly demonstrates why yiu can’t force it.

So that it won't kill itself doing what you told it to do. Why do machines have error messages and redundant systems? So that telling a machine to Divide by Zero, or perform some other logically-impossible task, doesn't shut down the entire machine. If an entelechy needs some sort of "dynamis regulation system" to avoid being overcome by oversights in its programming or method of power circulation, then that doesn't suddenly make them unfeasible. It makes them basically like most machines we use today.

An entelechy needs feelings and emotions to manipulate Dynamis. This is stated word for word by Hermes. How does a “Dynamis regulation system” have feelings and gives you the exact result you want? It needs a perspective of its own, try to force that and see what happens.

Again, these societies only failed because the story WROTE them to fail. They are supposedly "intelligent" societies that were written to act like they had 8th grade educations.

You clearly don’t agree with the premise of the story, so I don’t know exactly why we should discuss this. It doesn’t seem fruitful if this is the ultimate point of disagreement.