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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenore View Post
    For instance, in French :

    "Our methods wouldn't have brought a human here". I seem to recall the english version is not so far from that quote though.
    My comment was in reference to a debate about that line back in January, I believe.

    EN: "Still, you must be commended. Our methods would not have brought mankind this far."
    DE: "But I have to admit, reuniting us here was skillfully done. No wonder that we could not best her with our unrefined plans."
    FR: "I have to admit she is quite the matchmaker. We would have never been able to set foot here with our methods."

    As I recall, Lauront was saying the context in FR (arguably in EN as well) wasn't the same as what was being implied by some of the posters here who took Emet's dialog to mean the Ancients could not have made it to Ultima Thule when it was more likely (and more reasonable) that it was in reference to the Ascians. The DE translation corroborates the latter rather than the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    My comment was in reference to a debate about that line back in January, I believe.

    DE: "But I have to admit, reuniting us here was skillfully done. No wonder that we could not best her with our unrefined plans."
    He says that in German. But he is also a lot less bitter about the situation too. (Compared to the english version)
    Before your sentence he says: Wie auch immer, diese Kehrtwende macht mein Leben um einiges leichter. Ich sollte ihr dankbar sein."
    "This change of direction makes my life a lot easier. I should be thankful to her."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    He says that in German. But he is also a lot less bitter about the situation too. (Compared to the english version)
    Before your sentence he says: Wie auch immer, diese Kehrtwende macht mein Leben um einiges leichter. Ich sollte ihr dankbar sein."
    "This change of direction makes my life a lot easier. I should be thankful to her."
    I was merely pointing out the context of that one specific line, which makes more sense to mean the Ascians rather than the Ancients as a whole (as some people were reading it in EN), especially because Venat is an Ancient too.

    Emet's 'reception' to her is a different topic as his dialog fluctuates even within the same language to the extent that it sounds like two different people wrote it. It's possible Ishikawa was trying to retain as much of Emet's personality as possible while being told by someone else what they wanted him to say (and we do know Yoshi-P is responsible for the 'bucket list'), but that's just my theory. He waffles between bitterness and praising her, so it's very odd and inconsistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    He waffles between bitterness and praising her, so it's very odd and inconsistent.
    That....actually makes perfect sense for Emet-Selch, whose picture would probably appear in the dictionary if you looked up "Tsundere".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    That....actually makes perfect sense for Emet-Selch, whose picture would probably appear in the dictionary if you looked up "Tsundere".
    Not in regards to Venat, not after 12k years of "hated and heartbreak". Frankly, I found it so grossly out of character I couldn't take it seriously. It'd be like if the Watcher condemned Venat. Would I be tickled about that? Sure would. Could I argue in good faith it was consistent with his character development? Nope. Unfortunately, this is what we got. Emet as the whipped cream atop a sundae of characters who were broken to uplift a single person. (I'm still waiting to see if Pandemonium decides to retcon Azem's neutrality because that will be the cherry on top if they do.) Elidibus was more bitter and he couldn't even remember everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    Not in regards to Venat, not after 12k years of "hated and heartbreak". Frankly, I found it so grossly out of character I couldn't take it seriously. It'd be like if the Watcher condemned Venat. Would I be tickled about that? Sure would. Could I argue in good faith it was consistent with his character development? Nope. Unfortunately, this is what we got. Emet as the whipped cream atop a sundae of characters who were broken to uplift a single person. (I'm still waiting to see if Pandemonium decides to retcon Azem's neutrality because that will be the cherry on top if they do.) Elidibus was more bitter and he couldn't even remember everything.
    Emet-Selch commending Venat's actions is a can of worms that I didn't intend to get into. I was just saying (mostly in jest) that being passive-aggressive and contradictory about it is a very Emet thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    Emet-Selch commending Venat's actions is a can of worms that I didn't intend to get into. I was just saying (mostly in jest) that being passive-aggressive and contradictory about it is a very Emet thing to do.
    Ah, sorry for misunderstanding then! His scenes in UT are basically another Elpis situation for me, simultaneously both great and terrible. I will say that in DE Hythlodaeus manages to be even more precious, which I didn't think was possible.
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