Thoughts on the new street attire.

[SturmChurro]

not everyone can wear a hat.

Would you prefer each individual piece of clothing on the mogstation be sold separately, but at a higher price than the bundle?

Because that is what will happen if we go down that road.

Viera and hrothgar are a non-issue. Yoshida stated they wouldn't get hats prior to their release. They have only budged on this stance on occasion with a select few pieces, it is an exception. Aside from that fact, there is a disclaimer in the store. If a viera or hrothgar player chooses to purchase an outfit at that point, it is on them. Now, they can keep trying to give feedback to change that stance, perhaps request hatless variants for a lesser cost, but it has no affect on my thoughts on this matter.

Funnily enough, we were talking about this in the off-topic thread this morning. This is definitely a situation where you have to be careful what you wish for. If we were being fair, in terms of a cash shop, one could separate each variant and also have a bundle available for purchase which includes all pieces for a slightly discounted price than buying them all separately. As I was saying in my prior post. Now, if they did include pieces sold seperately at a higher cost, depending on the severity of the price hike, actually, yes, I would like to buy pieces separately. I can tell you right now I don't want every piece of this set, and with the majority of pieces on the mogstore I do not want the majority of pieces in the majority of sets. I only want specific pieces from each. I have routinely wasted $15-$18 for nothing but one piece from a set, and I'd say quite a few players have done the same who use the store.

[Amenara]

Viera and hrothgar are a non-issue. Yoshida stated they wouldn't get hats prior to their release. They have only budged on this stance on occasion with a select few pieces, it is an exception. Aside from that fact, there is a disclaimer in the store. If a viera or hrothgar player chooses to purchase an outfit at that point, it is on them. Now, they can keep trying to give feedback to change that stance, perhaps request hatless variants for a lesser cost, but it has no affect on my thoughts on this matter.

And it's ok for SE to continue treating them like limited races? It is mind-boggling to me that they wouldn't take the time to make headgear work for them, especially since they are trying to sell it. To me it just shows how little SE cares about their players when they don't bother making the headgear work for 2 races and make it barely work for a third. All about the profits over the experience of the players unfortunately.

[SturmChurro]

And it's ok for SE to continue treating them like limited races? It is mind-boggling to me that they wouldn't take the time to make headgear work for them, especially since they are trying to sell it. To me it just shows how little SE cares about their players when they don't bother making the headgear work for 2 races and make it barely work for a third. All about the profits over the experience of the players unfortunately.

Yes, they were designed that way from the start. It was stated prior to their release that they weren't getting hats, rather headgear wouldn't be shown on them due to their "unique head shapes". Yoshida relented on all headgear, when some devs worked on it in their "free time", so minor headgear such as circlets, crowns, glasses, etc. are available, but they still do not get hats, and this has been made very clear, many, many times. If we were talking about hairstyles, specifically racial unique, there then can be cause for discussion, as there was a statement made soon after ShB, if I recall, that they would get these hairstyles.

Any viera or hrothgar player who still chooses to play the race, despite it being well known that not all headgear is displayed, is a choice they made themselves. That being said, there is an argument that can be made that it isn't made known well enough in-game. Miqo'te not having their ears shown is.. unfortunate. They should do ears for premium outfits, for sure, for miqo'te.

[Amenara]

Yes, they were designed that way from the start. It was stated prior to their release that they weren't getting hats, rather headgear wouldn't be shown on them due to their 'unique head shapes'. Yoshida relented on all headgear, when some devs worked on it in their 'free time', so minor headgear such as circlets, crowns, glasses, etc. are available, but they still do not get hats, and this has been made very clear, many, many times. If we were talking about hairstyles, specifically racial unique, there there can be cause for discussion, as there was a statement made soon after ShB, if I recall, that they would get these hairstyles.

Any viera or hrothgar player who still chooses to play the race, despite it being well known that not all headgear is displayed, is a choice they made themselves. That being said, there is an argument that can be made that it isn't made known well enough in-game. Miqo'te not having their ears shown is.. unfortunate. They should do ears for premium outfits, for sure, for miqo'te.

I just completely disagree with you and the defense that "they said 3 years ago they weren't gonna have hats" and that people are saying the dev team is doing the right thing and players who want to play Viera and Hrothgar should suffer for it. It's an even more pathetic of an excuse when you see what modders do days after a patch release with headgear for the races. It's even more sad when Yoshida said devs used their off time to make a few headgears for Hrothgar and Viera when they first came out.

To me the whole "We aren't going to spend Dev resources fixing 2 of our races" is bullshit and needs to stop. It's the same as housing, stop blaming and punishing players and focus anger at SE for doing a bad job and get them to fix it.

[SturmChurro]

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Them not getting hats is how it was possible for them to be made and look the way they do in the first place. If people would prefer, they could have just not done the races altogether. It was stated by Yoshida, if I recall correctly, this was their "last chance" to add races. Prior to launch players of both female viera and male hrothgar said that they were fine not getting headgear, even PRIOR to the news that minor headgear was being made available, because of a few dedicated devs. This was originally a good intention. Now, we are seeing a lot of animosity from many over something that was never supposed to be in the first place! Again, if we were talking about hair, then we can have a conversation. People waited years for something that we thought was promised, but we aren't talking about that.

No player is being punished for anything. They chose to play these races, despite it being well known they don't get headgear. Again, that is a personal decision by those players. Again, there is also a disclaimer in the shop, so any of these players choosing to purchase the outfit regardless, is another personal decision. On the matter of mods, I am pretty sure SE could take down quite a few of them, if they so choose. Especially the ones who have this PRODUCT up, by the way.

[Amenara]

Them not getting hats is how it was possible for them to be made and look the way they do in the first place. If people would prefer, they could have just not done the races altogether. It was stated by Yoshida, if I recall correctly, this was their "last chance" to add races. Prior to launch players of both female viera and male hrothgar said that they were fine not getting headgear, even PRIOR to the news that minor headgear was being made available, because of a few dedicated devs. This was originally a good intention. Now, we are seeing a lot of animosity from many over something that was never supposed to be in the first place! Again, if we were talking about hair, then we can have a conversation. People waited years for something that we thought was promised, but we aren't talking about that.

No player is being punished for anything. They chose to play these races, despite it being well known they don't get headgear. Again, that is a personal decision by those players. Again, there is also a disclaimer in the shop, so any of these players choosing to purchase the outfit regardless, is another personal decision. On the matter of mods, I am pretty sure SE could take down quite a few of them, if they so choose. Especially the ones who have this PRODUCT up, by the way.

"Last chance" to add races as they add in Male Viera and Female Hrothgar (someday). The point I make with that is that SE says a lot of things and goes to show that they can do it if they allocate resources to it. I can understand SE not going back to every previous piece of headgear and making it work because of the time needed for that, but I don't understand why they never bothered making all the headgear from that point on work for Viera and Hrothgar. It is just so random which pieces they decide to make work for them and which don't. If you are going to bother making like the Reaper headgear work for Viera why not make the rest of them work as well?

As for punishing players, if you play a Viera or Hrothgar or want to play them, you are choosing an objectively worse race than any of the others. I don't understand why the ones in charge don't dedicate resources to fix the issues with the races, as you said hairstyles being one definitely (didn't they say Male Viera wouldn't have the same issues as Female?), but also why they don't make follow on headgear work on all races.