I got a warning and the lack of communication is unacceptable.

[Hoodcat]

Yeah, getting your kicks at the expense of others is real fun and friendly.

Well, i'm 100% certain it is fun for you and your buddies, your buddies who are your safety blanket if the butt of your jokes feels like giving as good as they got. Then you can gang up on them and kick them for not bending over and taking it like a team player. Sheesh...

np brah, keep standing in fire and ill be there >:| not all hero's wear capes

I also like how this keeps evolving to where i need a group of buddies to do this its like you keep gas lighting by adding layer after layer of new things.

Some people are just friendly and offer a helping hand, Some people like this guy are just professional victims and only look at the negative. You ever think you get treated as badly as you are making up in this statement bc of your attitude? :| nah can only be everyone else right?


its a game brah, thinking everyone is mean and only has ill intent is something on your side.

[AvantGrade]

I was a bit interested to see if my post would be ignored, full of getting flamed, or something else. I left out personal details not to try to hide my bad behavior, but because it is irrelevent to the post for this reason:

This is a larger issue about how the complaint and punishment system is implemented from a due process standpoint. You are accused of an action, you have no process to engage, and are given punishment without the ability to even address it, and without even knowing who is making the decision. Not only this, you don't even know what it is you did that lead to the action.

A couple of points I'd like to make:
1. They can share logs without sharing names. In my example, I just played roulettes and made random comments, all of which were general to no one specific, or directed at an NPC in one of the main scenarios.
2. Even if they want to leave out the complainant, the issue is MY statement/action. They can at least share the log of MY statement that warranted the action. I should also be able to know who the employee is who is taking this action so that I can reach out to them, or their manager if they refuse to communicate.

I want to thank everyone for their input. And to answer people that are questioning my sincerity on making the post: Again, I did not make any negative statements to any individual. This is not an anonymous account. I do not often post on these forums. You can look up my character and see how long I have been around and at my prior couple of posts.

For those who think that I'm hiding anything by not giving details, here is all I can think of as far as interactions I've had on the day in question: In one run I was running as a tank and while we wiped more than three times on the last boss, I stuck around and did nothing but encourage the new players. In another one, I joined after the dungeon had been already had cleared 2 bosses and those players were complaining their last tanks didn't know about stances. For those who question the validity of my issue is, the only other encounter I had that day was while the last boss of the main scenario where the second to last boss has the hammer, I made a comment about how I wish I could throw my shoe/helment at them to shut them up. I believe I used the F word in that.

The issue is I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I COULD HAVE SAID/done that would lead to a warning. I used the F word? Really? In a game where sodomy and golden showers is referenced by NPCs on the regular? If it's because I said the f word, then why not just show the post which is a simple copy and paste with just my name and what I said with a comment "This word cannot be used, you can be banned from the game for using it again." That would be fine. I can decide to either never give the company my money again or to adjust my behavior (knowing now what it was).

[Denji]

the last time there was a thread about this it turns out the op was insulting people and refusing to res people who died -- including brand new sprouts as "punishment".

[AvantGrade]

Review my "confession" and decide for yourself if that is the case here.

[Jojoya]

this further proves that SE doesnt care about our American Amendments

If you're thinking of the First Amendment, it's not relevant. It does not give us the right to say what we want, nor does it protect us from consequences related to what we say.

To learn more:
https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...at-does-it-say

The issue is I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I COULD HAVE SAID/done that would lead to a warning. I used the F word? Really? In a game where sodomy and golden showers is referenced by NPCs on the regular? If it's because I said the f word, then why not just show the post which is a simple copy and paste with just my name and what I said with a comment "This word cannot be used, you can be banned from the game for using it again." That would be fine. I can decide to either never give the company my money again or to adjust my behavior (knowing now what it was).

A warning is just a reminder than we need to be mindful of how we interact with others, that's all.

If you accidentally did something out of character for you, you have nothing to fear. It's unlikely to lead to any future problems. After all, this is the first time you've had a problem after playing for a few years.

As for what the game has NPCs do for purposes of story, that's not an indication of what's okay for players to do in player to player interaction. Any reasonable adult should be able to figure that out.

[AvantGrade]

A warning is just a reminder than we need to be mindful of how we interact with others, that's all.

A warning is NOT "just a reminder". It is an official disciplinary action taken. The lack of explination defeats the purpose of the warning, though it still counts as a step forward to take further and more critical action against the account.

If you accidentally did something out of character

I did not "accidentally" do something out of character for me. I am consistent in my behavior since ARR started.

It's unlikely to lead to any future problems. After all, this is the first time you've had a problem after playing for a few years.

Now you are being completely dismissive of the issue I am attempting to discuss. Unlikely? How Unlikely? Who knows? What if I just said something that some random DM didn't like, and what if they are targeting me now, especially since I've brought it up on the official forum? There is no way for me to know. There is no transparency. There is no Due Process that allows an accused individual to address the complaint.

As for what the game has NPCs do for purposes of story, that's not an indication of what's okay for players to do in player to player interaction. Any reasonable adult should be able to figure that out.

This is a fallacy argument. By the vary nature of the game's creators having characters in the game use language, any reasonable person would assume that that language is acceptable in the game they are playing. The fact that there is a content warning when you start the game up is a clear indication to any player that said warned content is acceptable.


I am not making a freedom of speech argument. Any company has a right to regulate speech on its platform. This is an issue of Due Process in a complaint/disciplinary system that lacks it. Due process, simply defined, is fairness. I have posted and have brought up this issue because this process, which can ultimately deprive a paying customer of access to services paid for without re-imbursement of investment is an issue which may in the USA very well snowball into a very costly process for the company. I'm attempting to get some sort of positive outcome to this issue to avoid that, as I love throwing money at this game in support of the devs, artists and amazing story tellers, and would rather not see a huge issue because of how they allow random US GMs abuse a system that is clearly set up in a way that allows for the abuse of paying customers at the hands of complete and total anonymity. It's bad business.

[keichirou]

If you're thinking of the First Amendment, it's not relevant. It does not give us the right to say what we want, nor does it protect us from consequences related to what we say.

To learn more:
https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...at-does-it-say


A warning is just a reminder than we need to be mindful of how we interact with others, that's all.

If you accidentally did something out of character for you, you have nothing to fear. It's unlikely to lead to any future problems. After all, this is the first time you've had a problem after playing for a few years.

As for what the game has NPCs do for purposes of story, that's not an indication of what's okay for players to do in player to player interaction. Any reasonable adult should be able to figure that out.

Wrong, not the 1st , but keep reading the constitution, you might learn something , but now that we're with the 1st....
True the 1st doesn't allow say anything you want..... as long is not Obscenity,Fighting statements,Defamation (including libel and slander),Perjury Blackmail,Incitement to imminent lawless action,Solicitations to commit crimes

So...which violation is being committed here?...

[Arazehl]

The issue is I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT I COULD HAVE SAID/done that would lead to a warning. I used the F word? Really? In a game where sodomy and golden showers is referenced by NPCs on the regular? If it's because I said the f word, then why not just show the post which is a simple copy and paste with just my name and what I said with a comment "This word cannot be used, you can be banned from the game for using it again." That would be fine. I can decide to either never give the company my money again or to adjust my behavior (knowing now what it was).

GM's have strict policies when it comes to issuing warnings or bans. They are not going to give out names to protect the player who filed the report or the name of the GM who flagged your account with a warning. If they did that than the player could get harassed by the receiver of the warning and for the second part, GM's don't have time to argue the issue with every Joe Blow in the game that feels they didn't deserve a warning. My guess that would be a lot of people.

You (your character did something that was against ToS). Otherwise, they can lose their jobs if it didn't go against ToS. They can't hand out warnings that you might have done something or base it off hearsay, it doesn't work like that. It has to be 100% against ToS and they are looking at it through their logs of conversation you had on that day. I know it sucks if you are confused what you might have done, especially if you're not one who usually gets complaints in dungeons or stuff you usually queue up for. I suggest maybe save your chat logs yourself so you can refer back to conversations on any given day. Just note GM's have logs of every conversation, trade, purchases you ever made saved to their servers, so maybe if there is a next time you'll have them for reference. Hopefully you won't have to suffer it again. Keep those you don't know at arms length, because even the F word can get you in trouble.

[Garten]

Just to give some contest .. i was in a debate on Frontile where i was trying to lead. Somebody Said me to shut up, that i was Just an idiot. I got nervous and Said that he was an idiot cause i was Just trying to lead. 2 days later "i" was in jail. (I didnt report the other Person). I told the story to the gm but he didnt care, his only response was Just something like: you broke TOS..etc.. since then i Just Do passive aggressive behavior, sarcasm and Revenge killing in pvp

[Garten]

Oh i remembered another thing that i wanted to say. I HATE SE hipocrisy (i hope it is the right word..), cause vote kicking abuse is tos reportable... BUT you can kick for difference of playstiles, (double)BUT there is no "difference of playstile" option when you want to kick someone, so they like "force" you to LIE on the report.
Example: I KNOW i got kicked at least TWICE on dungs for using "vercure" on rdm (just like once per run but guess the healers got offended or smt >_>? cause once the AST went capital letters: "REALLYYYYYY?!?!" on chat).. so.. i reported them but i am sure 100% they didnt got punished.. lol

But i mean... what did they choose on the buttons for kicking me? AFK? i was not afk. Harrassment? I didnt harrass anyome, I LITERALLY pressed VERCURE ONCE, i did it on pourpose but for what they know i could just have fatfingered it. I dont even remember what are the other option but i am sure none of them was screaming "REAAALLY" on chat to kick a silly and fresh naive red mage.