Do you want instanced housing?

[Shougun]

Who's defending? I'm saying both are bad and SE is double dipping, nothing more. Are you saying you are okay with a cash shop in a subscription based game? That's a strange hill to die on. :^)

I mean I'd want neither, and I would add that at least we don't have loot boxes here, but if SE was like we can add a free currency a month you earn.. I don't know why I'd say no. Especially if that currency can buy a possibility that many will NEVER have in FFXIV, given buying a house out right. Like how many people want larges? Now take that number and smash it up because many of those people are never going to get one.

To add in context of FFXIV, because we're making comparisons, there are many objects on the mog shop for houses that you can't earn in game (anymore, or at all depending on when you joined). So our system does have relationship to housing as well. Unlike ESO you can never get those mog shop items for 'free' either (again assuming that a sub is baseline, since we are a sub based game).

Lootbox = awful

But funbux to buy something many can't even get in FFXIV... it could be worse. On top of the fact that ESO does actually have many free (in game cost only) unlimited house options, which is again a step ahead of FFXIV (since availability is strictly limited).

[Seger]

Yes, of course.

Gate keeping an entire feature of the game behind availability is just dumb.

If I want to be able to decorate internally and externally a house I should be able to.

[Jojoya]

Short answer is Yes.

Long answer is Yes, but that doesn't mean I think ward houses need to be removed. It's possible for both to exist and give players options since not everyone wants the same thing.

But at the very least an instanced system that includes houses would give players the room they want to express themselves. If SE would go even father to include the features that some of the other games mentioned have, even better.

[technole]

Nah, the bean counters like it this way because it keeps people subbed to pay the RMT mortgage on their house and also keeping people subbed to be able to shop the sellers market like it is in the real world.

[DPZ2]

Give us what we want and we'll go away. It's really that simple. Until then...deal.

^ This poster is an Optimist. "What we want" varies player by player. Come up with a static list of "what we want" and start advocating for that, rather than handwaving and mumbling "yada yada instanced housing yada yada". There is already "instanced housing", it just isn't what players who use that term mean when they say it.

[Shougun]

^ This poster is an Optimist. "What we want" varies player by player. Come up with a static list of "what we want" and start advocating for that, rather than handwaving and mumbling "yada yada instanced housing yada yada". There is already "instanced housing", it just isn't what players who use that term mean when they say it.

Most of the longer folks here have done just that.

Also as language is descriptive system and not a prescriptive system, whatever meaning instanced housing might have ascribed the most exceptionally common throughput is that the system meets the demands the user presses upon it (the whole purpose of having an instanced system, with lag reduction). Which clearly FFXIV doesn't do even with apartments, I would therefore argue under the community usage of the word it's not really (may say it's borked, but the obvious answer then is to unbork it not say mission accomplished).

"We have an instanced system".. Player: "does it work?"
"Not really..." Player: "Well I want instanced housing then".

Obtuse forum member: "We have the system! You just don't like it!" (Not saying you said this, since at least you recognize what we have is NOT what players want- but I've seen this before).

Kay...

[TaleraRistain]

No, I like being able to sneak into peoples houses and hang out.

There’s just a unique, cool factor about it that makes things feel more open. Being locked away will really kill that experience.

Also whenever I’m checking out a fc I’ll visit their house to see who they are and what they’re about

It's an instance now when you go inside a house. Unless someone locks you out, then you can still sneak in and hang out. Instanced housing doesn't mean it has to be individual. EQII had a system where you could visit others and you could set access levels so you could allow in just friends or every random cat or elf or bunny.

[DPZ2]

Most of the longer folks here have done just that.

Sorry, I just have not read that. I read "make it like Wildstar", "<mumble> Garrisons", and the like. I hear "get rid of neighborhoods", "ESO has a great housing system", "GW2 ... yada yada". "Do what I want NOW!!!"

What I do not read is (1) "Create an instance with a house and yard with some form of nice background" (2) Allow me to invite players, but don't make it like today, where it's all-or-nothing (3) let me add 3,000 items in a 'large' house or apartment.

What I do not read is "Keep the current system but invest the time and money to create an entirely separate system [built to these specifications] to accomplish this and, by the by, I'm willing to stay subscribed and wait for this on the release of the 8.0 expansion if you tell me that's your end-goal".

So, players, what specific features can you all agree on for an entirely new housing system that may take up to 3 years to create? And are you willing to commit to the game for that long to get it?

[Vahlnir]

^ This poster is an Optimist. "What we want" varies player by player. Come up with a static list of "what we want" and start advocating for that, rather than handwaving and mumbling "yada yada instanced housing yada yada". There is already "instanced housing", it just isn't what players who use that term mean when they say it.

There's a lot to unpack here, but I'll just be wasting time. As to the "what we want" bit, I was referring to those asking for this sort of thing, not everyone. Either way yeah, I've been advocating for something that has proven to be way more effective elsewhere, and I will continue to advocate for it. I'm also done repeating myself. I will let common sense take the wheel from here. I have also gone into detail about exactly what I mean in more than a few threads. Many times in said threads. You can argue semantics all you like, but I'd like to think that some of you people actually understand what I and others are talking about, and some are just being petty. Not you specifically, just in general. No "gotcha" moments to be had here, sorry.

[Shougun]

Sorry, I just have not read that. I read "make it like Wildstar", "<mumble> Garrisons", and the like. I hear "get rid of neighborhoods", "ESO has a great housing system", "GW2 ... yada yada". "Do what I want NOW!!!"

What I do not read is (1) "Create an instance with a house and yard with some form of nice background" (2) Allow me to invite players, but don't make it like today, where it's all-or-nothing (3) let me add 3,000 items in a 'large' house or apartment.

What I do not read is "Keep the current system but invest the time and money to create an entirely separate system [built to these specifications] to accomplish this and, by the by, I'm willing to stay subscribed and wait for this on the release of the 8.0 expansion if you tell me that's your end-goal".

So, players, what specific features can you all agree on for an entirely new housing system that may take up to 3 years to create? And are you willing to commit to the game for that long to get it?

Why in Thals name would we need to all agree on it? You know that will never happen- for anything. Even internal game dev teams this is probably a rarity where the purpose of a leader exists. Seems like a requirement you put there to purposefully set the whole discussion up for failure.

You can however see very consistent requests throughout the differing voices, like first meeting the demand, second apartments need to be better if that's the system that is going to meet the demand or alternatively not apartments but like "x y z game" which have obvious feature sets you can reference.

On the topic of referencing other games, I don't see why you make so much issue on that- as it's a fantastic reference to live acting examples which are very powerful vs someone's pencil and paper idea (which may be genius or they may fall flat). Also makes 15k word forum post into 3k, when you don't have to explain an entire 'system'. And if you do make that 15k word post, I can tell you from experience, you'll only get specific types of people who do like to read (and they take a while to make). So "don't reference anything, be specific, but don't say too much otherwise no one is going to read it" which appears to me more rules to ensure failure of requests.

Last, It does seem like you haven't read a lot on this issue then as I've seen quite a few people list out ideas of things they'd like to see (myself included). Although I'm not sure how much of it is in this specific thread, so I'd give you that if that's what you meant, but as a whole a lot of people have put out posts on what they'd like to see specifically.