i'm sick and tired of the excuse for not having unique or varied jobs

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

I mean... Mechanist is pretty unique and fun.

Just saying.

[Payotz]

1. There will be the hardcore players that will ONLY go for the meta, thus killing the feel of uniqueness and ultimately wasting developers in making things that are never used because they are not the meta.
2. There will be more players that will play the worst possible builds due to being unique and we are already suffering with players still fishing for Freecure at lvl80+ content, Tanks not popping their mitigations and baby pulling and many other issues.

And you want to make the game even more complex for what? Having that fake feeling you are making a unique build while at the end of the day you are either making a meta build that everyone follows or just becoming deadweight?

I don't give a shit about meta if it ruins fun. If I wanted to play rock paper scissors or chess, I'd fucking play rock paper scissors or chess.

I played Machinist during Stormblood when Bard was the meta pick.
I played Golden Gun every now and then during Stasis Shatterdive meta in Splicer Trials.
I play Disc Priest right now in SL Season 3, switching to Holy for some specific weeks, just because I find Disc Priest more fun.
I played right click carry Pudge during WC3 Dota with a battlefury.
I played Riven mid a bunch of times just because I like Riven.
I played Ling/Bane Muta on and off at a time when Hydra was the most broken unit in LOTV.

Chasing the meta will be fun for people for sure, but even if i want to min/max, there are still times where I want to play the most off meta shit possible just for fun. Hell even pro players do it to shake it up because playing meta and ONLY meta is just boring and stale as fuck. There will always be a best class, a best playstyle, a best anything, so why should the devs sabotage fun by literally eliminating those options and homogenizing everything so people will have no choice but to be forced to ONLY PLAY THIS WAY.

And even then, meta and balance doesn't affect the MAJORITY of players in this game. Like sure, fix glaring issues with the class like idk NIN dealing as much damage as a SCH (easily fixed by potency changes), but don't remove a core mechanic from the job (Kaiten, Brd DoTs with Songs) just because it wasn't picked by a Week 1 group. Chances are, balance is never gonna affect you in FF14 at all.

I'm all about self improvement and stuff but both this mindset of OMG MY CLASS ONLY DEALS 2% LESS DAMAGE THAN THE OTHER GUY PLEASE FIX when you can clearly clear the content with subpar comps (even way back in Stormblood) and "omg I have too many buttons please remove them so I can feel better with not pressing them" ruins the fun in video games. Video games should be fun first and foremost and balance and meta should come second to fun.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

That's true. If Meta was King then everyone would have been Warrior.

[Nizzi]

There are two things that will go about this way.

1. There will be the hardcore players that will ONLY go for the meta, thus killing the feel of uniqueness and ultimately wasting developers time in making things that are never used because they are not the meta.
2. There will be more players that will play the worst possible builds due to being unique and we are already suffering with players still fishing for Freecure at lvl80+ content, Tanks not popping their mitigations and baby pulling and many other issues.

And you want to make the game even more complex for what? Having that fake feeling you are making a unique build while at the end of the day you are either making a meta build that some hardcore mathematicians posted their perfectly calculated meta builds on the internet so that everyone can copy from or just becoming deadweight?

1. Okay, cool, who cares? Meta only applies for blind prog and the first weeks of content. If something is underperforming to the point it isn't viable, then they can adjust it.
2. Okay, who cares? Are those players having fun playing something that's the worst? Then let them have fun. You cannot and should not ever design anything around the lowest common denominator, because you will quickly learn that players will out-stupid your stupid-proof design. Outside of taking away everything except 1 button, you cannot ever make players play correctly or well if they do not want to. If they are performing to the point where they can't clear, kick them and get a replacement or leave the group and find another.

[Syln]

You know, when you're sick and tired, you're supposed to go see the doctor :/

[DPZ2]

Meta only applies for blind prog and the first weeks of content.

I don't know where you got that idea. "Meta" applies to every single instance and if you don't follow it, you're not playing the game right. I've read enough forum posts over the last 7+ years to understand that message. And not in just this game.

[pikalovr]

I don't know where you got that idea. "Meta" applies to every single instance and if you don't follow it, you're not playing the game right. I've read enough forum posts over the last 7+ years to understand that message. And not in just this game.

hmm yes thats why PLD still had the most logs done on launch despite being the worst non healer DPS in the game right? asking for people to use 2 braincells and learn the game to the bare minimum of it's systems, combat, jobs, etc... is not wanting people to play "meta" thats wanting people to play the game properly like any other god damn game would ask of it's players.

do you think hades or it's general players cares if one weapon is vastly superior for speedruns/speed clears? no cause they all know the basics of the game and can clear the game with whatever weapon they want cause they have the basics of the weapon the combat and systems down. meaning even with the "worst" weapon you can still clear the game in a reasonable timeframe. stop trying to twist what other games would ask of their players as "meta"

[Nizzi]

I don't know where you got that idea. "Meta" applies to every single instance and if you don't follow it, you're not playing the game right. I've read enough forum posts over the last 7+ years to understand that message. And not in just this game.

lmao so true

[Lubu_Mykono]

Only unique job is Blue Mage because its not a basic betch Raid job.

Give me Gambler with skills tied to MGP purchases.
Puppetmaster with parts got from lifeskilling recipes to build the different parts of the puppet.
Beast Master with skills tied to old beast tribe currencies.
Mammeteer using the Vermillion skills as a group of pets for DPS...

[DPZ2]

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You respond as if you have never spent a minute browsing information on Icy-Veins or The Balance websites.

And yes, there are players in dungeon instances who have expressed extreme displeasure of players in non-endgame instances for not conforming to the current Meta. On these very Forums.

Then again, you may be excused as a relative newcomer based on Forum join date. You missed most of the not-very-fun threads during Heavensward, for example.