1 House 1 FC per DC Only

[LaylaTsarra]

It is a really good suggestion, with the new servers around the corner, for other server on same DC to not go and hoard houses, because they will and they do, it has been seen and is happening.

It is not a restriction, your alt can be member of whatever FC's, it is just that as one you can only have one owned FC for self and to that 1 FC house and 1 private house.

Give me a reason to it should NOT be restricted?

How does an alt join a FC on another server even if on the same DC. How about they make it so alts can share houses and people can join FC on other servers in the DC's or mains for that matter.

Be interesting to see what the new restrictions for DC travel will be but I suspect they'll be more rather than less restrictions. I think they've already stated that FC chat will not work when visiting another DC or crosslink shells for that matter.

[Caitlinzulu]

I would really like to know how many multiple house owners there actually are.
As to limiting being leader of multiple fc 's with a house i remember a message saying that there was no method in place to check if a player already has an alt that is a leader of an fc with house at the time of promotion of that player be it either through deliberate promotion or through default because old leader didnt login.
And adding that check may be harder then you think within the game's framework.
I agree that some kind of instancing will be needed because how much wards can you add before navigating them will become a nightmare.

Like have several houses allocated to each plot if you want to preserve neighborhoods.
Perhaps let us select wich of the houses is displayed for us letting us get rid of those paissa houses.

While that may let servers hold more houses it dont believe it will be enough to give everyone a house.

I am also curious what the actual load is of an appartment/small/medium/large house.

[Neoyoshi]

We do know what we're asking for. There are other games that provide instanced houses and do it well, I believe there is even one game that has neighbourhoods and manages to create new ones on demand.
So where this idea that we are asking for the impossible comes from I don't know.

This expansion every player will get a personal instance - the island sanctuary. So, if it's possible to do that for everyone, I find it hard to see why instanced houses with yards are somehow impossible.

I wish someone from SE would communicate on this issue, too. It feels like we've been shouting into the void since HW.

This is why i wish someone from SE, like perhaps Yoshi-P himself as he has proven in the past that he's very VERY good at communicating complicated situations and information about the games innerworkings and it's gears that turn things; to touch on this subject in more detail. (And as i am typing this, i am wondering if he already has.)

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About knowing what folks are asking for with instanced housing, I can only imagine players are referring to and making a mental reference to Elder Scrolls Online; which does have a nice system for housing- it's all instanced- with the ability to invite players inside said instance; each individual players has to do a quest to unlock it and then buy the home instance (basically a set-in-stone map layout with varying degrees of customization to the map itself and home) of their choice via game currency or the microtransactions-based currency.

Rift was (and i guess still is knock-on-wood) a good example of personalized instanced housing with it's Dimensions system; and works and operates very much as ESO's homestead system; with the broad exception that Dimensions has a XYZ edit mode that allows a player to- as long as they have the materials and space allotment; -to pretty much build whatever they want inside the instance.

So those are 2 pretty good examples of instanced housing that players may hearken back to when they think of instanced housing for Final Fantasy XIV.

So let's just imagine that instanced housing in the context of the above were a possibility, what then? And I mean this sincerely, what about what already exists? What do we do about the system that's already in place, and has been for many years; what do we do about the homes people have already? What happens to all that time and work?

Are folks asking for a completely new and separate housing system that doesn't interfere with the current one?

[Caitlinzulu]

Something i haven't ever seen commented on is how is the interior decorating of tbe housing in these other games? Are you as free as in ff or do they have as much or more furniture?

[Jojoya]

It is same logic, US is strongest nation on this planet and in control of global wealth but not offering free public health care, why?

I know it's off topic but you've asked this a few times so here's the answer:
Capitalism.

Most of our medical system is controlled by for-profit corporations that would really hate for something like free public health care to screw up their profits. Their money influences politicians and helps pay for demagoguery that feeds on the fears of those who loathe socialism and anything that hints of it - such as free public health care. There are a lot of radicals that would be happy to watch their neighbors die for lack of healthcare as long as it meant the US isn't tainted by socialism.

I don't think that's really a good choice for comparison here, even if corporate greed is an underlying reason. One is influenced by political philosophy; the other is influenced by design choice.

Something i haven't ever seen commented on is how is the interior decorating of tbe housing in these other games? Are you as free as in ff or do they have as much or more furniture?

Varies from game to game. I can't speak for them all since I haven't played them all.

I do have a lot of experience with RIFT's Dimensions. Instance sizes vary greatly, along with the items limits each one has. Limits can be increased through game currency though the final tier requires real money instead. As an example, one of my favorite Dimensions has a base item limit of 400 items. You can upgrade it all the way to 2000 items using game currency but if you use real money it can be upgraded to 2800 items.

It's not really interior decorating as such because the Dimension is usually an outdoor zone that may already have buildings placed or that you can add buildings to. There's no loading screen to separate indoors from outdoors.

Item placement is X,Y, and Z axis (no glitch tricks. Items can be rotated anyway you want (really want an upside down pond? go for it). Items can be resized (has limits of course but the range is very generous). Items can be placed anywhere you want within the Dimension boundaries (and to some degree outside of them though you can't move your character outside the boundary. Want a forest inside of your house or a dining table and chairs at the bottom of a pond? Go for it. There's a huge number of items to choose from.

The art aesthetic for the game is a bit on the rough side so FFXIV has an edge there but functionally RIFT Dimensions are superior.

Here's a video of player creations that the RIFT Community Team put together shortly after housing had been added to the game. It has a few brief demonstrations of the control features at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV8ovq0sAnM

[Eraden]

I know it's off topic but you've asked this a few times so here's the answer:
Capitalism.

Most of our medical system is controlled by for-profit corporations that would really hate for something like free public health care to screw up their profits. Their money influences politicians and helps pay for demagoguery that feeds on the fears of those who loathe socialism and anything that hints of it - such as free public health care. There are a lot of radicals that would be happy to watch their neighbors die for lack of healthcare as long as it meant the US isn't tainted by socialism.

I don't think that's really a good choice for comparison here, even if corporate greed is an underlying reason. One is influenced by political philosophy; the other is influenced by design choice.

Speaking from the point of view of a Canadian, it's a bit more nuanced than what you are suggesting, Jojoya. From my point of view, Capitalism itself is not completely a bad thing. The problem is that American health care is heavily burdened by insurance companies and a culture of massive litigation. Here in my Province of Saskatchewan, we do have the involvement of insurance companies but litigation is highly restricted. In most cases, successful litigation against malpractice returns a payout that more or less just covers damages and cost of rehabilitation. There are no multi-gazillion dollar payouts. That helps keep costs down. We have state-sponsored healthcare (and contrary to popular belief, it's actually really good) that is designed to keep costs down but we also allow fee for services in some areas of medicine. A bit of Capitalism is not a bad thing. Unrestricted Ferengi-style Capitalism on the other hand, well, that hurts everyone in the end.

[Nepentha]

So let's just imagine that instanced housing in the context of the above were a possibility, what then? And I mean this sincerely, what about what already exists? What do we do about the system that's already in place, and has been for many years; what do we do about the homes people have already? What happens to all that time and work?

Are folks asking for a completely new and separate housing system that doesn't interfere with the current one?

Who says the current houses have to be done away with? Leave it. Let the lotto handle it. Just have better instanced housing options that aren't just a square box of an apartment. The ward system isn't sustainable to meet demand. So find another way to meet demand.

[Nepentha]

It is a really good suggestion, with the new servers around the corner, for other server on same DC to not go and hoard houses, because they will and they do, it has been seen and is happening.

It is not a restriction, your alt can be member of whatever FC's, it is just that as one you can only have one owned FC for self and to that 1 FC house and 1 private house.

Give me a reason to it should NOT be restricted?

Because it doesn't solve the main problem. Lack of supply.

[Themarvin]

Because it doesn't solve the main problem. Lack of supply.

Wrong answer and reason.

[Nepentha]

Wrong answer and reason.

Very good retort there. Packed full of sound reasoning of why you're point of view is correct. (Which, it isn't.)