Required LB3 Fights Are Terrible And Bad

[Mikey_R]

The problem with personal LBs is that it would just be treated as any other cooldown, something to weave into your rotation. Sure, it might have a long cooldown, but it would still become part of your rotation. This is before thinking out how it would affect your rotation as a whole and the resources you would normally acquire.

[Deceptus]

I just failed The Final Day fight TWICE because two different people disconnected midfight. Meaning we didn't have an LB3, meaning we died. Mandatory LB3 doesn't actually add anything to gameplay. It's a glorified Press X To Win Game quicktime event. All such a mechanic brings to the table is the ability to have the fight ruined by garbage netcode.

LB3 was always one final burst of damage to finish off a fight, or a healer's saving throw after everything went pear-shaped. And tank LB was always totally irrelevant. And that WORKED. Then they came along and fixed what wasn't broken by forcing Tank LB3, and now it's actually broken. Good job.

The easiest solution is for the game to stop taking away a LB bar on a disconnect.

I don't see the reason that should exist. If you're in 8 man content you should get 3 potential LB bars.

[Larirawiel]

LB is a unique FFXIV mechanic,

Not really. ESO has something very similar. It is called "Ultimate ability". But it works individually and it is not limited to instanced content.


Cheers

[EgilTheStressedMage]

The easiest solution is for the game to stop taking away a LB bar on a disconnect.

I don't see the reason that should exist. If you're in 8 man content you should get 3 potential LB bars.

Yeah but that requires more toasters from the fifties as servers and using toasters from the fifties as servers is not easy to do. The current toasters are overloaded enough as is. Won’t someone please think of the toasters??? They’re so overloaded the bread unbakes itself into dough when trying to toast it!!

[Darkstride]

The problem isn't with the Limit Break integration, it's the disconnects during battle. A party member disconnecting mid fight shouldn't remove a portion of the gauge.
Also, if you have people repeatedly disconnecting during a Trial, it would seem they are the problem.

[Kranel_San]

I agree about the fact that LB system should get a rework because Casters and ranged LBs are barely used.
However, I'd like more fights to require various LBs and not just the tank LB3
It's a kind of a unique system in MMOs and should be used much more beyond "Survive the attack or deal high dps"
In my opinion, I think the way people use Tank LB in Ultima weapon unreal is good because you can do the fight without ever touching LB button but if you want convenience you can use tank LB3 to survive the third orbs phase which supplements a lack of skill or coordination with LB that may or may not have charged fully but at least gives the team an alternative chance to survive.

[EnigmaticDodo]

Sort of inclined to agree. It's especially fun when the OT doesn't know the timing, wastes it before you can use it properly, and makes you wipe.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The proper title should be ”LB Gauge removal upon party member disconnection is terrible.”

[Liam_Harper]

Tank LB might see a little more use if the community didn't have an obsession with Melee lb3 (which is good, but hugely overrated) and viewed Tank LB as some sort of low skill cheese instead of utilizing another piece of your toolkit. People were up in arms over the use of tank lb3 for the double-blue-double-red planets in EX 3 and would rather risk a wipe and lose uptime for the 6 seconds that melee lb saves. Tank lb has solid uses on P2, P3 and P4 Savage, Unreal, EX3 and in Ultimate. Be creative with it.

But yes, I agree with the OP that mandatory use in DF content is a bad thing. Mainly because of the loss of gauge for a disconnect. I wouldn't really miss it.

[NekoMataMata]

While thos instances are frustrating I actually like having to use the tank LB3 once in a while - or rather: getting to use it once in a while. I'm probably a little biased here but as tank you're mostly not allowed to touch that button and having moments where you summon a giant shield to save your whole party can be pretty amazing. If it werent for that we might as well remove the tank LB alltogether.

...which, maybe we should - or think of something different. But until that happens I'll take getting to use it once in a while over not using it at all. Even if it comes with the occassional frustration because fights being unwinable if someone DCs.

Isn't that the whole problem? Tanks have no reason to use the LB normally, so maybe something else should be done. Make Tank LB actually useful outside of instances that are essentially crafted for the purpose of forcing it.