Is there anyway to cancel Patience II but keeping Identical Cast effect?

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Fishers out here, I got a question for you. Is there any way to cancel Patience II (or Patience) without moving? During Patience II, if I caught something I'd like to use Identical Cast on (and then subsequently Triple Hook), is there a way for me to cancel Patience II without affecting Identical Cast? Thanks!

[Jojoya]

My guess is you're trying to avoid Inefficient Hooking. Since that's a debuff applied by Patience, the game isn't going to let us cancel it.

I think the only option (other than not use Patience in the first place) is to use Identical Cast and wait for Inefficient Hooking to expire. Then you'll be free to cast again and use Triple Hook.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

My guess is you're trying to avoid Inefficient Hooking. Since that's a debuff applied by Patience, the game isn't going to let us cancel it.

I think the only option (other than not use Patience in the first place) is to use Identical Cast and wait for Inefficient Hooking to expire. Then you'll be free to cast again and use Triple Hook.

Yea, looks like there's no way out... Can't click it off when it's active. But if I wait for a minute during Spectral Current of Ocean Fishing, the Spectral will be half gone... :/
So one just CANNOT make use of Identical Cast + Prize Catch + Triple Hook at all unless one moves around to cancel the Patience II during Spectral.

[Fruity_Snacks]

If you're using Identical Cast, you can use Prize Catch instead of Patience and avoid needing to deal with inefficient hooking at all, yes.

Not sure the context but for Ocean Fishing - if you're at the point of being able to use Triple Hook, then you probably won't be needing to use Patience much at all outside of trying to catch Placodus or Coral Manta.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

If you're using Identical Cast, you can use Prize Catch instead of Patience and avoid needing to deal with inefficient hooking at all, yes.

Not sure the context but for Ocean Fishing - if you're at the point of being able to use Triple Hook, then you probably won't be needing to use Patience much at all outside of trying to catch Placodus or Coral Manta.

Oh, I'm not trying to pop Patience II after IC. But the other way around.

Usually, at the beginning of Ocean Fishing, we use Patience II to quickly increase Angler's Stacks to prep up for the big combo for the Spectral Current. But if unfortunately (or fortunately... depending how you see it), the Spectral Current gets spawned early, then the Patience II will become a hindrance for using the DH>IC>PC>TH combo, as it will cause "misses" on DH or TH. So we would usually just cancel the Patience II if we already earned a few Angler's Stacks (even if just 3 stacks).

But if I'm soooo unfortunate that the Spectral gets spawned almost right after Patience II was popped (1 or even zero stacks earned), then I'd try to catch a few fish in that Spectral with Patience II active... hopefully at least get 3 stacks before cancelling it. However, if I'm soooooo, sooo unfortunate that during those catches, the "right fish" gets hooked. That's the situation I want to IC it (and continue with combo), but I'm already under Patience II and I can't move to cancel it, so I just dunno what to do! Looks like there's no way out... Probably should just give up combo-ing on the fish... Finish getting 3 stacks, and then cancel Patience II, and move on. It'd be way too risky to conduct IC>PC>TH under Patience II... It'd be so horrible to just "miss" after that big combo, LOL! And it's probably not worth the GP to just IC>Precision/Powerful Hookset either... That merely gives 1 extra large fish of the desired kind, but spending 400 GP...

[ICountFrom0]

Dosen't patience stop at 1 second and let you get in one last cast?

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Dosen't patience stop at 1 second and let you get in one last cast?

Yes, but that is irrelevant to my question though... Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant earlier? Sorry, maybe I made it a bit complicated...

[Fruity_Snacks]

Try Patience I or Prize Catch instead when your GP is capped, in that case.

Typically you want to have as much GP going into a spectral as you can and using Patience II prohibits that.

[Tyonto]

It is entirely possible that you can use Patience II, get many stacks, have your Hi-Cordial come off cooldown and be fine in a spectral current. However, because you have zero control and cannot tell when a current will happen, it is best to play around getting one at any time [before 1:30 remaining]. Patience II has a higher return in terms of guaranteeing you large-sized fish, but there are too many potential drawbacks:
- The GP cost. You will want to use a Hi-Cordial after expending so much GP, which is not good because you have no idea if/when a spectral current will proc but if it happens within 1m of you using it, you won't be able to use a Hi-Cordial in the spectral current at all.
- If you are at low GP because you're not using a Hi-Cordial because of the above drawback is also a huge negative. You want to enter the spectral current with full or near full GP. This is more important than entering it with Angler's Art stacks.
- The length of Patience II makes it much more likely that a current will happen while you have it up which is also a large negative. At Lv. 80 - 90 Patience II is an outright worse option than the other skills you have available to you for points. As you know, you can't make realistic use of Double/Triple Hook under it.

What is safer to do if you are at low or 0 stacks is to use Patience twice, with a HQ Watered Cordial between uses preferably. If you don't have or want to use HQ Watered Cordials you might want to consider just one use of it, especially if you already have a few stacks. HQ Watered Cordials are rather safe to use because they have a 2m6s cooldown, so unless a current happens near-immediately after you use it, you will be fine.

In most cases you want to get to 6 stacks before a current but this is absolutely not required and if using Patience once or twice does not get you here it isn't awful. Less, particularly 4-5, is still comfortable to be at because the spectral current has a higher base large-sized rate than the normal zone does; it is likely that you will catch one or two large-sized fish before the high-value fish bites. If it is a current where you aren't aiming to use Identical Cast and instead using multiple TH/DHs like the Cieldalaes or Rhotano at Sunset, starting with 3-6 is fine instead.

One use of Patience typically gets you three bites, sometimes 4-5 in stops with quick biting fish. You can alter your bait usage while using Patience to one which is favored by the quick biting fish to get as many bites as possible under Patience.

Patience II is so poor that it is more valuable if you enter a current with few stacks to do something like Double Hook - Identical Cast - Prize Catch - and if you have the time wait for your GP to regenerate to Triple Hook, or just Double Hook if you don't have the time to wait. If you aren't starting this combination with Double Hook, then you really have zero incentive to use Patience II as the AA stacks you are gaining from it are much less valuable and not required to Hook-IC-PC-TH.

[ICountFrom0]

Yes, but that is irrelevant to my question though... Perhaps you misunderstood what I meant earlier? Sorry, maybe I made it a bit complicated...

Only it's not, if patience stops at 1, then you can't even out wait it, so your stuck with it on, right?