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  1. #11
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    Denji's Avatar
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    Daddy Milkers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    The word you're looking for is "xenophobic".
    "racist" works, too.

    not so fun fact: it's 100% legal for companies in japan to confiscate the passports of foreign workers and often do so out of fear that they will "run away", it's also legal to force women to wear contacts instead of glasses and high heels instead of shoes as well as to falsely accuse foreigners of crimes they did not commit because japan has a 99% conviction rate and you don't get a jury unless the case relates to murder or something similar.

    i quite literally have a JP-only license that for years i simply used emotes on and very, very carefully chose my words with. i watched, i read, i observed and slowly picked up terms and phrases that my japanese classes/studies weren't teaching me and slowly began to integrate them. i have yet to try and savage or primal content but i have found other english-speaking players and over the years many have been given free vacations or bans due to from what we can tell were completely fictitious reports made against them. at one point i began connecting to it via a ssh tunnel so my IP address appeared like it was coming from within japan.

    this... idea that people don't talk on the JP servers needs to go. they just don't talk around -you- and when they do talk, a lot of them say some pretty terrible things about foreigners. you'll have the occasional person who tells them off but they'll often just be accused of kotobagari.
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  2. #12
    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Harun Asubra
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    because japan has a 99% conviction rate and you don't get a jury unless the case relates to murder or something similar.
    It's such a problem in their society that it gave birth to the Ace Attorney series.
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  3. #13
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    The word you're looking for is "xenophobic".
    No. People like to make this statement all the time, but Japanese are not xenophobic.
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  4. #14
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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    You could try the Materia data center.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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  5. #15
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    Raoabolic's Avatar
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    No. People like to make this statement all the time, but Japanese are not xenophobic.
    Didn't you hear? If you don't accept the new thing 100% you are a xenophobe. Ignore the fact that the established rules and social norms would clash with the new thing, you are just a boomer who doesn't get it. :^)
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  6. #16
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    No. People like to make this statement all the time, but Japanese are not xenophobic.
    Not wanting to deal with 'others' seems like the definition of xenophobia though :/

    It lines up with the comments I get from many foreigners, particularly when I used to volunteer for a foreigner meeting group with the purpose of learning English. Most of the Asian groups would intermingle and switch to English but the Japanese group was almost always exclusively Japanese and /multiple/ people told me they didn't feel welcome or wanted to go to the Japanese group because they wouldn't switch to English (the common language / purpose of the event) and would continue to speak in Japanese without including them into conversations or general activities.

    Such issues are backed up regularly by people who lived there for a while, like how they might be nice to you but it takes exceptional effort to be included on the 'in group'. This has some benefits... Since those people are usually not expected to do as crazy hours lol. Though I would note most of these people are sharing their experience from like 5 years ago, so caution for that part..

    Of course there are a lot of exceptions to the 'rule', like my best partner in crime for Warframe was a Japanese dude and though we usually didn't talk much we easily spent a few hundred hours grinding many days of the week as a duo only crew. And when we did we would spend hours just chatting stumbling through languages and google translate to get across topics from games, food, music, to religion, politics, and happy living.

    In FFXI because my name appeared Japanese I was regularly invited to parties (and I knew what the basic dialog / courtesy steps were so I'd just type it in / paste if needed) while a friend whose name was clearly not Japanese was never invited and frequently ignored even when using auto translate (but they had /1/ Japanese friend who helped them get a lot of really expensive cool stuff, who spoke fantastic English because they were an ambassador sometime ago.. lol- very jelly...).

    Then you have Koji, who appears to be well accepted and exceptionally important part of the company (not only person, everyone is important but at least he's allowed to be important and have a face too- so it seems like he is part of the crew for the purpose of this conversation, which is as it should be ~!). Also in relationship to FFXI / FFXIV, as far as I know it's the only MMO that makes it really easy to communicate with people who don't speak your language, so that's a point to SE there.

    I think it's easy to find stories of racism in a culture (USA, Canada, whatever) but usually you'll get a lot of "that's disgusting / awful" from people who hear about them, like when Asians were being targeted due to COVID. It's been a while since I've talked to really extrovert Japanese but given the impression when I talked to them and to other foreigners.. being openly prejudice to foreigners is (or recently was) completely acceptable in a general sense. To which would be something in the states, and other places, would be considered blatantly racist (or other 'ists' like nationalist).

    Though my sense tells me such things, like most places in the world, oscillate slightly but is generally moving to a more global and accepting view- I would think especially since they kindly opened their doors to some Ukrainian refugees, and as well in general have a population growth problem that will need to likely be solved with immigration.
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    Last edited by Shougun; 06-22-2022 at 08:39 AM.

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    Kismet Altius
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    Louisoix
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    Move to the Aus Data Center.
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    Player Knot_D's Avatar
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    My suggestion from someone who plays on Mana DC for 8 years and retired from raiding is, find english speaker that interested in raiding and make a static. JP static only accept you if you understand what they want no matter if you speak JP or not.
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    Mikita Nightsong
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    Anima
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    As others have suggested, if you want to stay in a Japanese DC to ensure the lowest ping, you might consider moving to the Elemental DC where there may be more English speakers. Mana has very few English speakers, so it really helps if you can communicate fully in Japanese.

    Otherwise, the Materia DC (Oceania) may be playable. I don't know about Savage level content, but I've played in trials on Materia up to Lv80 from Japan and it was pretty much okay for dodging mechanics.


    Quote Originally Posted by anguel View Post
    i was more meaning in a way that if a player keep dying in loop over and over rather than changing a strategy
    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    Something very important to keep in mind is the JP data centers have an established way of doing things and making public suggestions to do things differently is going to be received rather poorly. If you want to raid, learn the JP strategies and customs, and don't deviate from them.
    Illmaeran is right. There are established ways of doing things if you play on a Japanese DC, and most people will just keep at it through multiple failures until they get it right.
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Snip.
    Based on my understanding, a lot of Japanese people don't speak English even if they can because they either find it embarrassing or disrespectful unless it's perfect.
    And a lot of them have a very strong accent which they're frequently mocked for even if they're trying really hard.
    But that's my limited understanding and I might be wrong.

    Native English speakers very often have thick accents too when speaking other languages, and when it comes to languages like Japanese it's a lot more complicated than just being able to say the words.
    The meaning of a word can totally change depending on tone of voice and context, it's like this in Swedish too and you can very easily be misunderstood and it's very hard to learn unless you grow up with it.
    Even if someone speaks Swedish fluently if they have an accent it's going to be a pretty different conversation and more difficult to really gauge their mood and intent sometimes, unless they've really worked hard to learn to speak with a proper accent.

    I also find that a lot of native English-Speakers will mispronounce things on purpose and sound like they're annoyed that they have to say something in a different language, and it comes across as really disrespectful.
    And I mean there's a lot of cultural differences that can be perceived one way from the outside, I hear a lot of crap about Swedes all the time that I think is either pretty absurd or misunderstandings.
    And it's difficult to really have a discussion about that especially online, most people aren't really interested in it it's a lot easier to just go '' wow I can't believe they're like that '' and move on with your day.

    Tbh from my pov and impression I think that in the US people are overly pushy and hyper-social to a point where it's really overbearing and annoying.
    But on the other hand a lot of Americans will think that Swedes are anti-social to a point of absurdity.
    I think both hold some truth from a certain pov but are also kinda wrong and exaggerated.
    And I have to imagine these things are only magnified when it comes to a country like Japan.

    I think it's especially important to keep in mind too that the internet climate in NA and EU isn't really an accurate reflection of reality.
    I think a lot of the stuff people online will say is disgusting and awful won't be as controversial irl.
    The online climate is quite sanitized and lean more in a hyper progressive direction that doesn't actually exist in the real world.
    In the US there's a ton of racism and tension between minority groups too that you don't really see in media and online but come through in polls and studies on demographics and social views.
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