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  1. #21
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    Based on my understanding, a lot of Japanese people don't speak English even if they can because they either find it embarrassing or disrespectful unless it's perfect.
    And a lot of them have a very strong accent which they're frequently mocked for even if they're trying really hard.
    But that's my limited understanding and I might be wrong.

    Native English speakers very often have thick accents too when speaking other languages, and when it comes to languages like Japanese it's a lot more complicated than just being able to say the words.
    The meaning of a word can totally change depending on tone of voice and context, it's like this in Swedish too and you can very easily be misunderstood and it's very hard to learn unless you grow up with it.
    Even if someone speaks Swedish fluently if they have an accent it's going to be a pretty different conversation and more difficult to really gauge their mood and intent sometimes, unless they've really worked hard to learn to speak with a proper accent.

    I also find that a lot of native English-Speakers will mispronounce things on purpose and sound like they're annoyed that they have to say something in a different language, and it comes across as really disrespectful.
    And I mean there's a lot of cultural differences that can be perceived one way from the outside, I hear a lot of crap about Swedes all the time that I think is either pretty absurd or misunderstandings.
    And it's difficult to really have a discussion about that especially online, most people aren't really interested in it it's a lot easier to just go '' wow I can't believe they're like that '' and move on with your day.

    Tbh from my pov and impression I think that in the US people are overly pushy and hyper-social to a point where it's really overbearing and annoying.
    But on the other hand a lot of Americans will think that Swedes are anti-social to a point of absurdity.
    I think both hold some truth from a certain pov but are also kinda wrong and exaggerated.
    And I have to imagine these things are only magnified when it comes to a country like Japan.

    I think it's especially important to keep in mind too that the internet climate in NA and EU isn't really an accurate reflection of reality.
    I think a lot of the stuff people online will say is disgusting and awful won't be as controversial irl.
    The online climate is quite sanitized and lean more in a hyper progressive direction that doesn't actually exist in the real world.
    In the US there's a ton of racism and tension between minority groups too that you don't really see in media and online but come through in polls and studies on demographics and social views.
    Just for the context of my experience with international people was in person (to reference your point on internet vs person), but I agree internet and in person vary. I also would probably agree to US people are overbearing which can be both sweet and icebreaker or "OH MY GOD GET OFF ME DUDE" lol. My wife, who wasn't born here, is almost appalled that I (and others to me) greet each other even though we don't know each other just as we're walking around (context being it's a casual walk, if you hit main cities it's usually too busy to do that).

    That said the propensity to be 'xenophobic' has been something I've seen, and hear, very frequently both online and offline for Japanese - though all of this is mostly from 5 year old information. I assume, like most social issues, they'll slightly oscillate but almost always are trending upwards aka improving (for most places at least). As I don't do some of the things that put me in contact with people as often now, more of a quiet life lol. This also lines up historically.. so I wouldn't think it's out of bounds or rude or vaguely inaccurate to call out that this is probably a 'downside' (just like having some person approach you for no good reason and start asking you weird question you didn't want to answer, AND GIVING THEIR OPINONS ON IT lol, might be a downside for Americans).

    Also can confirm that the usual response to why they excluded others or were more in a group was because of fear of looking bad / disrespect. But the thing is because they did it the other people felt they were rude lol, so the fear of looking bad made them look bad . Did not play out in their favor. I addressed this to some of the more open to communicate and they made direct attempts to fix that which was endearing. (This isn't a post to say how evil the Japanese are lol, just that I find that people tend to not have a very international view and will usually make one sided comments or worse weirdly biased ones.. like when you see "worse racism is in X country, everywhere else is a paradise" and anyone with any sense of outside is like.. "LOL".. though that doesn't change the importance of solving whatever issue is to be had. Nothing really gets done if everyone is doing 'whataboutisms'.
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  2. #22
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    JP strats are usually good, and is way more orderly than NA because they mainly use macros for positioning/order and that's it. You will abide by that or leave the party. That means you don't have deal with the NA weird party finder types where some player demands they get southeast spot because they don't know the fight well enough to do any position, or suggest something that is far left-field.
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