Just Another Housing Complaint

[ballprince]

Another interesting piece of information if you get bored enough to collect it - how many of the owned small plots are owned by FCs created on or after March 28th of this year and how many of those have 4 members or less. (Just in Empyrean, would be too difficult to sort out the smalls newly purchased in other districts)

Wondering if the shell FCs are starting to move in as some of us have predicted.

I'll check Coeurl's once I get in game a little later.

That's a really good suggestion, I'm going to check Faerie later tonight. I have had a suspicion this would be coming up on us.

I'm curious, have they ever mentioned anything about shell FC's in the past? I have to imagine it's something they'd dislike, given solo shells in particular should be impossible to do given the system and directly go against the social aspect of an FC, to me at least.

[ElysiumDragon]

Lodestone will have this info, it's how I found that my own server is flooded with dead/shell FC's.

That being said, "Setting up a Free Company for the explicit intention of purchasing a personal house in a Free Company ward is a violation of the ToS" and "Owning more than one service account for the purposes of circumventing the one per service account restriction on housing is a violation of the ToS, and will result in the permanent suspension of all service accounts involved".

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

Another interesting piece of information if you get bored enough to collect it - how many of the owned small plots are owned by FCs created on or after March 28th of this year and how many of those have 4 members or less. (Just in Empyrean, would be too difficult to sort out the smalls newly purchased in other districts)

Wondering if the shell FCs are starting to move in as some of us have predicted.

I'll check Coeurl's once I get in game a little later.

I just created one. We had a whopping 8 lots left, 100+ on each one. And the FC districts have so many houses that weren't even bidded on, that's my best bet getting one.

[Yodada]

Lodestone will have this info, it's how I found that my own server is flooded with dead/shell FC's.

That being said, "Setting up a Free Company for the explicit intention of purchasing a personal house in a Free Company ward is a violation of the ToS" and "Owning more than one service account for the purposes of circumventing the one per service account restriction on housing is a violation of the ToS, and will result in the permanent suspension of all service accounts involved".

Says who? You?

Oh sweet summer child. You will be so disappointed from the reality once you leave the Final Fantasy Land one day and getting some fresh air

[Lee102]

Lodestone will have this info, it's how I found that my own server is flooded with dead/shell FC's.

That being said, "Setting up a Free Company for the explicit intention of purchasing a personal house in a Free Company ward is a violation of the ToS" and "Owning more than one service account for the purposes of circumventing the one per service account restriction on housing is a violation of the ToS, and will result in the permanent suspension of all service accounts involved".

This is so wrong it's not even funny. If you want a private fc, go make one. You'll probably get a house easier that way.

[Jojoya]

That's a really good suggestion, I'm going to check Faerie later tonight. I have had a suspicion this would be coming up on us.

I'm curious, have they ever mentioned anything about shell FC's in the past? I have to imagine it's something they'd dislike, given solo shells in particular should be impossible to do given the system and directly go against the social aspect of an FC, to me at least.

I don't think SE has ever said anything about shell FCs so we have no way of knowing how they feel about them. They're far more of a player concern, just like the market bots.

I suppose I should clarify my personal feelings about the shell FCs here. I wish they were not necessary for a player to get a house for personal use. If someone has gotten fed up with the housing system and chooses to make a single shell FC for purposes of getting a single house for personal use, more power to them for going to the extra effort to get something they want. The system is intended to allow us to have one personal and one FC house per world so a shell FC is within the spirit and intent of the rules.

My objection to the shell FCs is specific to the workshop farmers that have multiple houses per world and the resellers. The first is clearly outside of the intent and spirit of the rules though not an actual ToS violation. The second is a straight ToS violation made clear when SE posted the updated Prohibited Activities policy.

Lodestone will have this info, it's how I found that my own server is flooded with dead/shell FC's.

That being said, "Setting up a Free Company for the explicit intention of purchasing a personal house in a Free Company ward is a violation of the ToS" and "Owning more than one service account for the purposes of circumventing the one per service account restriction on housing is a violation of the ToS, and will result in the permanent suspension of all service accounts involved".

You might wish those were covered in the ToS but they aren't. Players are allowed to have multiple service accounts. One paid account is not going to be denied access to features that another paid service account has just because a player has more than one service account.

Let's stop making up ways to try to get other players in trouble and focus on the system designed, controlled by SE, that is at the heart of the housing situation. Unless SE addresses that or the player base takes a massive dip in population, there's always going to be players cut out of the system by SE's design.

[ElysiumDragon]

This is so wrong it's not even funny. If you want a private fc, go make one. You'll probably get a house easier that way.

Contributing to the shell FC problem somehow solves it, sounds like a flawless solution that has zero downsides.

I'm not going to be part of the problem, house be damned. Change the ToS to clean out the landlords and shells, really not that hard. The RMT'ers are (mostly) gone, now it's time the shells get cleared out too.

[Yodada]

Contributing to the shell FC problem somehow solves it, sounds like a flawless solution that has zero downsides.

I'm not going to be part of the problem, house be damned. Change the ToS to clean out the landlords and shells, really not that hard. The RMT'ers are (mostly) gone, now it's time the shells get cleared out too.

It wont change any of the problems. Even if your wishfull thinking would be come true some day it wont do anything to cover the demand.
Not even on Spriggan.
And before you gonna start about the Lucis One. Nah not even those 60 plots or how much there are in reality will cover the needs of 2-3k People who want to participate in Housing.
Nothing. That should even get into your Lala head at least for your own sanity.

You remind one of those kind of kids stomping at the ground when they didnt get the "Quengelwaren" at the cash register.

[Nepentha]

Contributing to the shell FC problem somehow solves it, sounds like a flawless solution that has zero downsides.

I'm not going to be part of the problem, house be damned. Change the ToS to clean out the landlords and shells, really not that hard. The RMT'ers are (mostly) gone, now it's time the shells get cleared out too.

What, exactly, constitutes a shell FC?

[Jojoya]

Contributing to the shell FC problem somehow solves it, sounds like a flawless solution that has zero downsides.

I'm not going to be part of the problem, house be damned. Change the ToS to clean out the landlords and shells, really not that hard. The RMT'ers are (mostly) gone, now it's time the shells get cleared out too.

Does it really matter whether the player is getting their house as a personal plot or as a FC plot via shell FC? It's still a single plot taken by a single player as long as they buy no others.

Also in a strange way, players turning to shell FCs may help lead to a solution. If SE sees a significant number of players using them to get access to houses for personal use (diverting the intended purpose of FCs), it may encourage them to address the supply problem. Otherwise trying to reserve houses for FC use will become pointless as players use shell FCs to get houses for personal use regardless.

Again, we need to stop blaming and trying to punish other players for trying to engage with the content. This is on SE for for creating an inadequate system when they could have learned from other MMOs that already had player housing at the time ARR was being developed.