What’s the point of Physick for Summoner?

[Dahlinea]

There’s honestly no good reason for there to be an inconsistency between the utility of healing options with summoner versus red mage. In this particular case, either Physick should be updated to scale off the correct stat to be consistent with Red Mage, or healing spells be removed from both DPS jobs.

Why do we need to have a supposed "consistency" between Red Mage and Summoner in the first place? It's clear that Physick is only there on SMN because it's just a remnant of Arcanist and removing it would probably affect SCH. If they really planned to give any form of healing spell for SMN they would have done it ages ago. To be fair, we have Phoenix already to provide healing. If both healer are dead, tanks already have it in their kits means of temporary protection till the healers get raised somehow.
Also, there's absolutely no reason for SMN to have a healing skill just because RDM has one. They don't need to have (and I'm glad they don't have) the exactly same kind of support kit. Let the job have their unique features and move on.

[Raikai]

Why do we need to have a supposed "consistency" between Red Mage and Summoner in the first place? It's clear that Physick is only there on SMN because it's just a remnant of Arcanist and removing it would probably affect SCH. If they really planned to give any form of healing spell for SMN they would have done it ages ago. To be fair, we have Phoenix already to provide healing. If both healer are dead, tanks already have it in their kits means of temporary protection till the healers get raised somehow.
Also, there's absolutely no reason for SMN to have a healing skill just because RDM has one. They don't need to have (and I'm glad they don't have) the exactly same kind of support kit. Let the job have their unique features and move on.

It would not affect SCH, their Physicks are different spells with different IDs, just check Garlandtools to see that out. Fixing ACN/SMN version would not interfere with the SCH one.

SMN wouldn't have a healing skill just because of RDM having one... It would have because Physick was there even before Vercure was a thing. Also this kind of similarity is meaningless when nearly all jobs have healing skills in Second Wind, Bloodbath, Curing Waltz, etc.

[Dyvid]

“Why are people so obsessed with wanting to heal or do damage as a tank? Shouldn’t you be focused on, I don’t know, gaining maximum amounts of enmity with ranged attacks?”

It’s nice to have variety and be flexible sometimes. What about situations where both healers are dead and someone wants to stop the only tank from immediately dying while another person tries to raise them, or is raising also bad for summoners and red mages since that’s typically done by healers? Encounters don’t always go just as planned.

Tanks that DPS speed up clear times. Healers that DPS speeds up clear times. A DPS that heals slows down clear times.

Tanks DPS regardless if it's to hold enmity or not, it's just going to happen. A tank that restores their HP means longer survivability and allows Healer more time to do things, like DPS or whatever; different argument.

If both healers are dead, you healing isn't going to do jack. If all the SMN or RDM could do was cast Heal, it would be faster to just wipe and try again. Also Caster raising is a whole other debate and a completely different thread.

SMN wouldn't have a healing skill just because of RDM having one... It would have because Physick was there even before Vercure was a thing. Also this kind of similarity is meaningless when nearly all jobs have healing skills in Second Wind, Bloodbath, Curing Waltz, etc.

Don't confuse personal healing to party healing. Second Wind, Bloodbath, etc. are instant ability that don't slow down DPS and allow Healers to focus on other things. SMN has a instant heal ability in Phoenix, but casting Physick would cut into important DPS time.

I remain unconvinced, Caster DPS should focus on dealing damage.

[MellowMink]

SMN wouldn't have a healing skill just because of RDM having one... It would have because Physick was there even before Vercure was a thing.

Thank you; you’re totally right.

Also, the action isn’t necessarily still needed solely because it’s also part of the Arcanist class; some actions are removed from Scholar compared to Arcanist upon it first being unlocked, so there’s no reason the same couldn’t also apply for Summoner. That said, I would rather the action be based off the correct stat like how Vercure already does.

[Kolsykol]

Tbh even if it's a remnant of the old days I kinda like that it's still around.
It always kinda bothered me in WoW too how a lot of skills were removed in expansions, I remember losing Fel Flame on Warlock and being sad about it.
I like keeping some of these skills around instead of removing them just kinda as memberberries and for the rly niche situations.

[MellowMink]

I like keeping some of these skills around instead of removing them just kinda as memberberries and for the rly niche situations.

I legitimately can’t think of any niche situations where Summoner’s healing spell has any helpful use case except for maybe the earliest possible dungeon instances, and that’s it.

[Kolsykol]

I legitimately can’t think of any niche situations where Summoner’s healing spell has any helpful use case except for maybe the earliest possible dungeon instances, and that’s it.

Yep, I still like having some stuff around still tho.
I think it gets a bit more iffy when it's stuff that could actually be a legit part of your rotation tho.
But even then I kinda wish that we had like an alternate tab or something with old skills with maybe a set low potency ( 0 for ogcd's or just 0 all-around ).
It's just cool to see them sometimes, I think back to some old NIN and DRK skills in particular and get a bit sad sometimes that a lot of their skills that were really cool have just been lost altogether.

DRK in Heavensward had really cool stuff that is just gone.

[Kurando]

You thought fishing for Freecure was bad, Physick has become a trap spell for new (and some not so new) players. Maybe they just picked up the job after a long time or boosted it, but they be trying to self-sustain in older trials/raids. They lose half their health and boom, out come the Physicks. It's a misleading spell that loses any real usefulness very early on.

I remember one time a healer was struggling in an HW dungeon and the SMN DPS was there just spamming Physick. I told them it wasn't really their job, though they responded they were trying to be a team player. I get the gesture but the amount of damage lost is not worth casting a single Physick, it's quicker to just focus/kill the enemies.

[Conchoidal]

Maybe a reworked Erase could make a comeback as a Summoner exclusive ability? It already has great healing with Phoenix/Rekindle.

[Exodus-E]

Maybe a reworked Erase could make a comeback as a Summoner exclusive ability? It already has great healing with Phoenix/Rekindle.

Just a shame that you have to wait for a good while before you can even use it (as in, reaching that part of your rotation).