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  1. #71
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    Renalt's Avatar
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    Renalt El'doran
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    Bard Lv 90
    I wanna say there is a mod for that...but we all know that is all that can be said about it.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

  2. #72
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    Kismet Altius
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    Louisoix
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Some player's characters really fuck with my immersion, nothing to do with "Don't play MMOs then".
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  3. #73
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    TreuV's Avatar
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    Treu Two
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    Excalibur
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    Archer Lv 80
    Why would you ever want to pay a subscription for a single player game? Thats literally what youre asking for. Removing all the other personal opinion stuff aside and looking at this from a business perspective im sure square would love to have you pay a subscription for their single player games but no self-respecting / Player-Respecting dev would ever allow that to become a thing.
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  4. #74
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Excalibur
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by TreuV View Post
    Why would you ever want to pay a subscription for a single player game? Thats literally what youre asking for. Removing all the other personal opinion stuff aside and looking at this from a business perspective im sure square would love to have you pay a subscription for their single player games but no self-respecting / Player-Respecting dev would ever allow that to become a thing.
    It absolutely is not what people are asking for. This is a change primarily proposed for parts that don't really matter and don't involve much play. Things like Leap of Faith, where it really is just a single player encounter, but you're stuck observing an unnatural flood of people streaming all over the place.

    You don't even interact with the majority of these people on a regular basis, so what difference does it make? Why do you people have such an attitude about this idea which has nothing to do with being anti-social and everything to do with moving around more smoothly?
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  5. #75
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    Kuritzkale's Avatar
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    Crystallized Lore
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    Diabolos
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    OP: People are resistant to ANYTHING that might take away their capability to force others to deal with them. Their excuses are about community and social feel.. but I haven't heard one good reason why someone shouldn't be able to customize their own experience and remove everyone else from it.

    If someone doesn't want to have you around or "experience" your company they really shouldn't have to. The excuses about IRL you cant do this are pointless.. that's why this is a video game, real world concerns aren't valid.

    If someone wants to play this game and can weather the forced instances and co-op elements along with the influence of others insofar as market board prices and competition for limited resources but does not wish to interact with the rest of the playerbase in any way, shape, or form otherwise? What does it take away from anyone elses experience?

    This is an even more minor and non-impactful request than the glamour toggle thread that is getting blown out of proportion by zealous purists and narcissists.

    I think if I want to turn off every other PC character in an area I should be able to for my own experience, PC performance, and convenience.


    And to those who would rather the development time be spent on other things, YES.. same to all the junk I never use that y'all asked for and it happened. It's really always going to be a given that yes, others would rather have things they'd like worked on.
    Videogames can't and shouldn't cater to literally everything somebody wants, if you choose to play an MMO you choose to play a game where you will see other players, that's just how it works. I don't think you should be able to play an MMO with the MMO aspect turned off, it doesn't make any sense and ultimately adding a feature that makes the game less social will make the game worse over time. People complain about MMOs removing social aspects all the time, when you play an MMO you will be "forced" to interact with people to some extent, doesn't mean you need to talk to them, or interact with them in some meaningful way, but it's quite literally the entire point of the genre. Imagine playing a single player game and then complaining you can't click a box and see everyone else playing it.
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  6. #76
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    Kuritzkale's Avatar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    It absolutely is not what people are asking for. This is a change primarily proposed for parts that don't really matter and don't involve much play. Things like Leap of Faith, where it really is just a single player encounter, but you're stuck observing an unnatural flood of people streaming all over the place.
    I don't have a problem with them adding it for minigames like Leap of Faith, but I really don't know why you bring it up and then act like people are against it when that wasn't what the discussion was about in the first place.
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  7. #77
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    Teki Suto
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    Siren
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    To the people saying that hiding other players is literally asking for a singleplayer game, I do hope you have other player's battle effects on. After all, hiding things is anti-multiplayer!
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  8. #78
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    TreuV's Avatar
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    Treu Two
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    Excalibur
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    Archer Lv 80
    From a business standpoint - If i told myself about a certain franchise that was made mobile recently and heavily monetized i would have laughed and said that would never work and people wouldnt play it. 10 years later thats exactly whats going on. Never underestimate a companies want to make more money off you if they can. In an MMO im not for hiding people because it leads to the idea of single player games having a subscription fee long term; we already saw that with googles attempt at a console - And if you think that idea is crazy and unheard of then once again all you need do is look at the lowest scored game via userscore right now as an example of how ideas that are unheard of become reality
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  9. #79
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    Krotoan Argaviel
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    Sargatanas
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuritzkale View Post
    Videogames can't and shouldn't cater to literally everything somebody wants,
    People are asking for an option that would effect nobody but themselves. If a feature can be added and not change the game for anyone else and in the process actually make the game run better, what reason is there NOT to consider it at least?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kuritzkale View Post
    if you choose to play an MMO you choose to play a game where you will see other players, that's just how it works.
    Nnnope. I play several other games where my interaction with others , even so much as SEEING them, is very much under my control. An MMO isn't an MMO because you HAVE to interact with people, it's an MMO because many people are playing and you CAN interact. It's however it works and there is no law or accepted requirement that an MMO forces interaction at all times. This isn't all or nothing either. If I choose one day to be social but the next I want to take videos of strolling in populated areas but I don't want "buttnugget" the lala chicken-suiting around behind me because that's what he's decided to do today, why do I HAVE to have him there? There is no valid reason I should HAVE to deal with them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kuritzkale View Post
    I don't think you should be able to play an MMO with the MMO aspect turned off,
    you are welcome to think what you like, but it's akin to making other people eat steak on tuesdays because you think that tuesday IS cow-day. I.E. You are welcome to have your personal preferences but foisting them on others is not great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuritzkale View Post
    it doesn't make any sense and ultimately adding a feature that makes the game less social will make the game worse over time.
    Why doesn't it make sense? I listed about 3-4 times it would make perfect sense with valid use. How would it make the game worse? Because you need people to be FORCED to interact with others? Because people who don't want to see you HAVE to see you so they'll interact with you?



    Quote Originally Posted by Kuritzkale View Post
    People complain about MMOs removing social aspects all the time, when you play an MMO you will be "forced" to interact with people to some extent, doesn't mean you need to talk to them, or interact with them in some meaningful way, but it's quite literally the entire point of the genre.
    There is no law of MMO other than it needs to be multiplayer and a LOT of them at the same time. That is the NAME.. it is not a universal truth. Now considering what's being asked for here is an OPTION to turn off other players appearances when no interaction is normally necessary anyway and in fact would be detrimental to the experience (what benefit is there to the experience when on release days I basically hop from giant player clump to giant player clump and thank god that controller targeting picks NPC's first?) WHY MUST people experience that inconvenience?

    I ask you in a TL: DR

    What good reason do you have for objecting to this besides your personal value of "MMO= HAVE to play with others at all times"?




    Quote Originally Posted by Kuritzkale View Post
    Imagine playing a single player game and then complaining you can't click a box and see everyone else playing it.
    Ahem.. souls games.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    im not gonna say you cant ask for this but its like ordering a cheeseburger and then asking if they can peel the cheese off for you

    More like asking for a cheeseburger with part of it having no cheese and then someone on the next table proselytizing to you that omg you can't call that ordering a cheeseburger.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 06-14-2022 at 08:38 AM.

  10. #80
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    Lihtleita Lonstyrmwyn
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    Lich
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    Marauder Lv 100
    im not gonna say you cant ask for this but its like ordering a cheeseburger and then asking if they can peel the cheese off for you
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