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    Player EaraGrace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    Are the Elpis creations sentient?
    They have souls which is an objective sign of sentience for this fantasy world so yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    You're well aware that it is a stylistic and false retelling of established events, I hope...?
    Your hopes bear partial fruit! They are indeed symbolic, but nothing indicates the information conveyed is wrong or misleading. That is indeed what symbolism is for after all, to communicate information in a way that isn’t one to one with reality but retains the overall message. Unless you mean to argue that somehow Venat manipulated the visions we get in the rift? That would make them “false.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    They have souls which is an objective sign of sentience for this fantasy world so yes.
    Elpis is a test facility where they are testing creations submitted by others. The planet may imbue the creations with a soul eventually, but we don’t have any evidence that the ones being tested there have souls, since the ones pointed out to us in this context (the butterflies) are said not to have them.

    In other words, congratulations. If a “soul” is what makes it wrong to kill something, then Hermes is doing the equivalent of someone saying we’re wrong for what we did in Eden.
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    Player EaraGrace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    Elpis is a test facility where they are testing creations submitted by others. The planet may imbue the creations with a soul eventually, but we don’t have any evidence that the ones being tested there have souls, since the ones pointed out to us in this context (the butterflies) are said not to have them.


    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    In other words, congratulations. If a “soul” is what makes it wrong to kill something, then Hermes is doing the equivalent of someone saying we’re wrong for what we did in Eden.
    Yep he is. I don’t agree with him. Bottom line.

    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    It doesn’t change the fact that, again, it is obviously her personal account of events, considering that it’s all out of order from what we know of actual events taking place. In which the cid analogy applies. It’s her own biased view of how things happened.
    So is it false or is it from her perspective? The Amaurot dungeon was from Emets perspective, doesn’t mean it’s incorrect. Just means we have to keep that in mind right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    Elpis is a test facility where they are testing creations submitted by others. The planet may imbue the creations with a soul eventually, but we don’t have any evidence that the ones being tested there have souls, since the ones pointed out to us in this context (the butterflies) are said not to have them.

    In other words, congratulations. If a “soul” is what makes it wrong to kill something, then Hermes is doing the equivalent of someone saying we’re wrong for what we did in Eden.
    Alpha did not have a soul until the ending of the Omega questline. It's reassuring to know we would have been free to rip him apart with no guilt up until that point.

    Oh, Omega itself, too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midgardsormr
    'Twould seem your understanding is yet lacking. Scant grasp have I of that which men know and know not...

    Mark me, then. Omega hath no soul. No mind's eye in which to envision a rival.
    Smash up that toy robot, everyone.
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