Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[Brinne]

You understand why I used hell as an example right? If the conditions in Zodiark were so horrific as to necessitate any cost in order to free them, then finding individuals who don’t seem to be immediately concerned with their current circumstances would contradict that no? I think it better that we don’t subject unknowing innocents to that fate then, if it is as terrible as you say.

Once again, yes, you are agreeing that this is your logic - that "if a single individual seems, to my estimation, okay within a terrible environment, even if the majority of others around them are in explicit anguish, then everyone should be okay with it and any anguish expressed can be disregarded." In which case, we've hit another one of those impasses where I can't do anything but shrug and go, sure - I personally believe that logic is deeply fallacious, deeply callous, and overlaps with the excuses one often hears to dismiss all manner of poor conditions and mistreatment ("I was beaten as a child, and I turned out fine!"), but all right. I can't convince anyone to care about the demonstrable pain of others when they're looking for any excuse to pretend it isn't valid.

What evidence. Anyder survived the damage with concepts intact. Why was it not reduced to its base aether?

You... you yourself pointed out Dynamis snuffs out aether. It was explicitly stated in the text that the world was dead, necessitating the use of Ancient souls for the massive amount of aether needed to fuel Zodiark. This sacrifice has never been painted by anything in the story besides noble and laudable. To use your words, you are denying the premise of the text here, and I'm not sure for what - to suggest the Ancients were not acting out of necessity and desperation when they used themselves as sacrifices, but, like, laziness? Is that your ultimate hypothesis here?

This is the god in the gaps argument. You can’t use the lack the evidence to the contrary as proof of something existing.

Uh, I was never trying to prove anything existed. That was in reply to your question of "so why didn't Elidibus do this?" and I answered with "we have no specific or concrete details on exactly what he did."

And yet previous sacrifices did not necessitate the Sundering. The third sacrifice was the breaking point. Why in your opinion, is that the case?

Because you're mistaking the "stealing" in the metaphor as being the stand-in for "sacrifice" in general, when it is not. The stand-in is, again, the ideological factor of "looking back" and "not embracing suffering." The first two sacrifices didn't hit Venat as indicating guilt of those emotional crimes. The third did.

[thegreatonemal]

Iscah and Turk were having a conversation, or debate if you will, to which you interjected with something that added absolutely nothing to the conversation for the sake of being snarky. There we go though. Denoting someones thoughts to just "they dont like the character." It's funny too because i dont know how many times ive said i actually somewhat liked Venat before the whole Kairos ordeal. So your point is not only invalid but also ignorant at best. Try again

I add my bit and you come spouting nonsense.

I care little and less how many times you've said it, the core of the issue still stands. Stop making stuff up with no basis in the lore. Keep your headcanon to the headcanon thread. It's there for a reason. Now if you would actually like to discuss the actual lore we can do that. If not, stop talking to me you are adding nothing to the conversation.

[AwesomeJr44]

I add my bit and you come spouting nonsense.

I mean... it's not like you're above spouting nonsense...

[Lauront]

I mean... it's not like you're above spouting nonsense...

One might even say they've made something of an art form out of it.

[thegreatonemal]

From what I've seen, a fair few people - myself included - found Venat to be pretty likable during the Elpis storyline. It was everything outside of Elpis that caused them to raise an eyebrow and realise that she was, unfortunately, a genocidal social darwinist who feigned having no other options available to her and cruelly murdered a bunch of innocent people.

Yeaaa, none of which you just described is what happened in the story. The actual game we played put it as such. Venat, with limited options has to make a cruel decision in order to give life a chance to save itself because the majority of her fellows are set upon a plan that will ensure that everyone dies.

At least from what I've seen people say she could have done they all fall apart. We even have a scene where she goes through some of her options with an explanation of why they might go wrong. It's the making stuff up and coming up with half thought out ideas that causing a bunch of us to tilt our heads.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I add my bit and you come spouting nonsense.

I care little and less how many times you've said it, the core of the issue still stands. Stop making stuff up with no basis in the lore. Keep your headcanon to the headcanon thread. It's there for a reason. Now if you would actually like to discuss the actual lore we can do that. If not, stop talking to me you are adding nothing to the conversation.

Except youre literally spouting headcanon.You're literally defending venat's genocide by claiming it isnt genocide when literally, by definition, it is factually genocide. Try.Again.Once more, with feeling.

[thegreatonemal]

Except youre literally spouting headcanon.You're literally defending venat's genocide by claiming it isnt genocide when literally, by definition, it is factually genocide. Try.Again.Once more, with feeling.

What did I say was headcanon? You keep harping on the semantics of calling it genocide. I'm pretty sure I said much more than that. You can stop trying to pull at that one little straw. What did I just tell you in my last post to you? Pretty sure it was do not speak to me unless you are going to speak about the lore.

[KizuyaKatogami]

What did I say was headcanon? You keep harping on the semantics of calling it genocide. I'm pretty sure I said much more than that. You can stop trying to pull at that one little straw. What did I just tell you in my last post to you? Pretty sure it was do not speak to me unless you are going to speak about the lore.

Oh goodness! Please forgive me for not obeying your lordship oh great oatmeal. I will only speak to you unless i speak about lore i swear from this day henceforth.










So we both agree what Venat did was genocide now? Cool? Cool. Glad to know we're on the same page Love you!

[AwesomeJr44]

Please forgive me for not obeying your lordship oh great oatmeal.

Yo when you're done with the oatmeal, pass it over. I want some.

[thegreatonemal]

Oh goodness! Please forgive me for not obeying your lordship oh great oatmeal. I will only speak to you unless i speak about lore i swear from this day henceforth.










So we both agree what Venat did was genocide now? Cool? Cool. Glad to know we're on the same page Love you!

Cool, so you demonstrate that you can't read very well. Can't even read a screen name correctly That explains why you couldn't do as I asked. Take a few tries and go reread my comments to you. One for more than your semantics game and also my request to you. Third time's the charm? I believe in you buddy.