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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    If he really doesn't like ED, then yes, drop AF and ED from SCH and just use the Fairy Gauge for everything instead. Rework Dissipation so it doesn't dismiss the fairy (but still costs gauge so it's a gauge dump move with a short cooldown to avoid overcapping), make Fey Union focus target the fairy onto a single person for X seconds for higher potency embraces (but she cannot aim at anybody else with Embrace, fairy skills still useable), and just make Seraph the permanent upgrade of the fairy. Make it so SCH has less jank, and make everything flow better.
    That is just a net negative. No part of the Fairy Gauge is able to replicate the rewarded prediction even of ED, and Excog, Soil, Lustrate, and the like would not be improved by being stripped of what bankability they previously possessed.

    Dissipation can be improved without nuking SCH's core resource system. Fey Union can be fixed without nuking SCH's core resource system.

    Making Seraph a permanent upgrade, instead of just applying the obvious solutions to/against button bloat, would only make SCH even less eventful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    That is just a net negative. No part of the Fairy Gauge is able to replicate the rewarded prediction even of ED, and Excog, Soil, Lustrate, and the like would not be improved by being stripped of what bankability they previously possessed.

    Dissipation can be improved without nuking SCH's core resource system. Fey Union can be fixed without nuking SCH's core resource system.

    Making Seraph a permanent upgrade, instead of just applying the obvious solutions to/against button bloat, would only make SCH even less eventful.
    Aetherflow is an antiquated relic that does not need to exist anymore on SCH. We just sit on AF most of the time to use with ED. It may as well not even exist at this point. Hell, the Fairy Gauge as it stands right now may as well not even exist unless it is given more to do. Personally, I despise ED even existing, and I'm wishing they'd remove it and give us one of our old DoTs back to compensate. Right now SCH is pretty janky, and practically fights itself to do anything. They need to remove the jank, and that means removing Aetherflow and Energy Drain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Aetherflow is an antiquated relic that does not need to exist anymore on SCH.
    In its means of generation (3 per 60 via ability cast instead of a passive 1 per 20, etc.), sure. In the sense of having a 3x-bankable shared resource system, it is still valuable and I see no reason whatsoever to remove it.

    We just sit on AF most of the time to use with ED. It may as well not even exist at this point.
    That's because the majority of most healer kits need not exist at this point, much like healers in general in dungeons with a non-DRK tank. That's not an ED problem. That's a damage taken problem.

    You don't destroy systems just because they made clearer a problem elsewhere while uniquely giving your job a way to at least mitigate that issue (that to use your whole kit, even without touching a GCD heal, will overheal).

    Hell, the Fairy Gauge as it stands right now may as well not even exist unless it is given more to do.
    Yes, which makes it the bloated waste. You could literally just have Fey Union warm up to a flexible duration instead of having a gauge and cooldown. Its means of generation is awful and its only uses would be to constrain actions --ones which previously could be performed even while casting, with no animation lock-- that we used to have direct and frequent control over.

    I'd far rather have, say... pet MP, a couple animation-lock-less/simultaneously-castable 'pet' actions distinct between Eos and Selene (and combined or separate again under Seraph), and the ability to transfer MP over to that pet, ideally interworking that a bit with AF spenders and Dissipation. At least then we're not slowly building up to having access to what we used to access immediately --only building up to Seraph, at most-- and our pets could have actual, distinct, and burstier utility/value.

    Personally, I despise ED even existing, and I'm wishing they'd remove it and give us one of our old DoTs back to compensate.
    You realize we had 5 DoTs when not we not only had only ED, but other offensive spenders, too? They're not mutually exclusive.

    You needn't remove SCH's unique means of managing healer-kit bloat just to spread its GCD ppm over more buttons that will, without Bane, still go to waste in favor of loudly slapping the ground as soon as we're at 3+ targets.

    Right now SCH is pretty janky, and practically fights itself to do anything. They need to remove the jank, and that means removing Aetherflow and Energy Drain.
    How much of that is really SCH "fighting itself," though, rather than your simply not managing it well? Not all or even most, certainly, but I'd have to guess at least a fair portion.

    There is jank, but not to the degree that the remainder of SCH's affordances or unique capacities need to be ripped out root and stem.
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