Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[WillIrishclover]

I wonder if people picked Hermes,

Normally this is two sided Emet vs Venat but really the quest points out its 3 sided. Hermes philosophy is in complete odds with Venat AND Emets

[WillIrishclover]

I really hope SE gives us the percentage breakdown on what people picked here at some point.

And I am over the moon that Omega pointed out that what Venat did is no better than what Hermes or Emet-Selch did.

I can't believe "Omnicide is always wrong" is a point even up for debate, and I'm glad we were finally able to express that in-character.

Never going to happen, percentage breakdowns after the fact will just funnel players into picking a certain option when the content becomes older.

[Kranel_San]

"All were justified" is my choice.
Though I don't really agree with the means. Each believed theirs is for the greater good. A woman who wanted the future to be there, a man who was consumed by curiosity and equal treatment, and an old man who want to have his nostalgic days back.

Regarding the whole questline. I had expectations it would be more mysterious and either a teaser or a build-up for future questlines/content. I guess I'm mistaken....

[Havenchild]

I actually believe the Omega quest served more as an epilogue to Endwalker. I disagree that they could have fit this narrative within the MSQ. I think this particular subject of who was right or whose perspective had bigger weight is too big of a topic to approach within the confines of the story. It's a morally grey topic but one that rather unravels countless corners of the story as a whole. Applying such a divisive element in the middle of the MSQ seems like it would have been distracting and poorly timed for something that should invite self reflection in-character.

Not saying it would have been impossible, but I would think reserving the time to appropriately "reflect" on everything is better than shoe horning this type of questioning in game and then moving on shortly after to the next big moment of the MSQ.

[Shookbeast]

There’s something to consider in that Omega is a world destroyer as well, if I’m not mistaken. It commenting on the actions of the various Ancients may come from a place where it sees itself reflected in those actions. Hopefully not in admiration. The themes of this little adventure are quite weighty.

That message could be a breadcrumb to another storyline, or it could be just a sweet little endcap. We’ll have to see if there’s more to this story. I too am surprised we didn’t go to the restaurant at the end of the universe.

[Kranel_San]

That message could be a breadcrumb to another storyline, or it could be just a sweet little endcap. We’ll have to see if there’s more to this story. I too am surprised we didn’t go to the restaurant at the end of the universe.

Indeed. There are many possibilities to it.
It could be from someone who discovered Meteion's background and is sending a message in hopes it reaches a living world to survive her song. It could be a message from someone to cheer us up on our way to face her (Since it was received during the initial trip).
Or it's simply coming from someone who's like Hermis but is optimistic instead of being depressed. The possibilities are so many!

[RyuDragnier]

Perhaps it could even be that one guy after the second boss of the Dead Ends. You know, that guy who we never know what happened with him (but was highly inferred to have killed himself after having killed everybody). A final message before he offed himself.

[Iscah]

This is really interesting to me tbh…. it paints the Watcher in a whole new light now because we know she consumed the souls of her followers and essentially erased them.

But we knew that already since Shadowbringers. The ancients on both sides of the conflict fully and willingly gave up their life energies to fuel their chosen primal's creation.

The biggest surprises of Endwalker are that souls are included in that energy and ultimately consumed (I had previously assumed it along the lines of sacrificing corporeal aether to become the primal, with the soul doing whatever it is that souls do after the body's death) and that Venat's consciousness could entirely survive as the heart, which seems at odds with the grieved reaction her companion has upon learning she intends to do it.

If anything, the description of the Watcher fits in with other sources indicating that individual souls are not erased within the primal but are all just whirling around in there together as an amalgamation that collectively forms "the primal's will", while remaining distinct enough that one can be plucked back out and resume individual consciousness if the opportunity arises.

There is Elidibus, of course, although Y'shtola theorises (apparently correctly) that it is the multitude of souls within him that are eroding his own soul's identity and memory – indicating that the many souls within Zodiark are not reduced to inert aether but retain at least some degree of identity and interfere with (let's call him) Themis's individual self. His appearance at the end of 5.3 and in Endwalker could be seen as Themis alone once everyone else's aether has been stripped away from him, leaving just the single soul.

And then we have Hythlodaeus on the moon, still lucid enough to identify as himself after all this time. Is he any different to the Watcher, or is it simply that one is inclined to see himself as himself and the other disassociates his past self with his present form? Or is it that the Watcher was picked out from the primal and transformed, while Hyth remains within it? Could Zodiark/Elidibus do the same thing to any of the souls within him?

I am suddenly struck by a new theory of where the black mask Ascians might come from.

Even Minfilia would fit into this idea, as (what we could now read as) a late addition into Hydaelyn's collection of souls, later set free as an individual again but transformed from mortal into something more, and aspected to the primal. She even says she is no different to an Ascian in that form.

And then there is Hydaelyn herself. If we can apply what we know of Elidibus to this other "primal heart" then it is possible that our early meetings with Hydaelyn are not directly with Venat at all, but with the amalgamated swirl of souls with Venat at the core. It isn't explored whether she might suffer the same loss of memories too, outside of core ones she repeats to herself and fixes upon.

In any case, by the time we arrive in the aetherial sea, she has apparently expended all the aether except the last soul remaining at her heart, so any other influence has receded and Venat speaks as herself once more.

This is speculation of course, and I would have to watch back through the scene to see if it fits.

[AlysanneVrannai]

Quite a good questline, and I feel that I don't have the personal ability to put into words why I feel the way I feel about the choices of the three Ancients, which I think was handled astonishingly well by making Omega compare them all.

Personally, I chose to say I find Venat the most justified, because her philosophy is the only one that pretty much perfectly overlaps with mine (though her methods continue to seem incredibly strange, perhaps idiotic, without further elaboration).

The message to "Forge Ahead" truly was a nice little ribbon on top. I do love when the writing in this game gets more introspective and really reflects on what has happened and where you fit in amongst it all.

[SannaR]

Never going to happen, percentage breakdowns after the fact will just funnel players into picking a certain option when the content becomes older.

Why not? They gave us the results of the still leaves people bitter over it Valentiones day successor vote and who did you choose at the start with Anogg and Konogg at the end of the six weeks of post story from the Nier raid. Still amazes me every sever ended up voting the same way with about the same split for the latter.