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    I really hope SE gives us the percentage breakdown on what people picked here at some point.

    And I am over the moon that Omega pointed out that what Venat did is no better than what Hermes or Emet-Selch did.

    I can't believe "Omnicide is always wrong" is a point even up for debate, and I'm glad we were finally able to express that in-character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    I really hope SE gives us the percentage breakdown on what people picked here at some point.

    And I am over the moon that Omega pointed out that what Venat did is no better than what Hermes or Emet-Selch did.

    I can't believe "Omnicide is always wrong" is a point even up for debate, and I'm glad we were finally able to express that in-character.
    Never going to happen, percentage breakdowns after the fact will just funnel players into picking a certain option when the content becomes older.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillIrishclover View Post
    Never going to happen, percentage breakdowns after the fact will just funnel players into picking a certain option when the content becomes older.
    Why not? They gave us the results of the still leaves people bitter over it Valentiones day successor vote and who did you choose at the start with Anogg and Konogg at the end of the six weeks of post story from the Nier raid. Still amazes me every sever ended up voting the same way with about the same split for the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SannaR View Post
    Why not? They gave us the results of the still leaves people bitter over it Valentiones day successor vote and who did you choose at the start with Anogg and Konogg at the end of the six weeks of post story from the Nier raid. Still amazes me every sever ended up voting the same way with about the same split for the latter.
    those were one off side contents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidurgu-12 View Post
    those were one off side contents.
    The only way you can repeat this quest is either doing it on an Alt or NG+. How many people do you think are going to do either? And yes I checked for it in the unending journey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    I really hope SE gives us the percentage breakdown on what people picked here at some point.
    Do they really need to? The answer is going to end up being "They all were" because that's the 1st option on the list. Most people are just going to click through, even in FFXIV.
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    Last edited by Naria; 06-08-2022 at 12:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennah View Post
    I really hope SE gives us the percentage breakdown on what people picked here at some point.
    So, practically speaking I don't think this is possible even if they wanted to. (And the fact it doesn't appear to be is probably indication that they didn't want to). They can't take metrics on dialog choices, because that's essentially entirely clientside with no recording of anything; the Anogg/Konogg choice was actually a quest fork, so they could measure by how many people picked up which quests. That said, if those stats were actually being collected I think we'd have seen the results in more or less the same order we saw them; not only are the topmost options statistically favored because of the 'don't care, I'll check the top one and move on' factor, but people also broadly just pick the 'good/nice guy' options more often than not. Mass Effect does collect statistics for player choices and it's always in that direction (unless it comes to punching reporters), and I remember that The Secret World actually did secretly record moral choice options without people knowing, and it was phenomenally 'good guys' inclined. Even with a similar sort of dynamic to what we see between Venat and Emet; the clear visual 'good guys' being inscrutible and daunting, with the visual 'bad guys' being REALLY shady but with some clear charisma while directly acknowledging that the other guys are clearly not benevolent.

    Personally, I picked Venat, because my perspective was always that she was ultimately making the correct decision by Ancient philosophy, to do right by the planet (me being an environmentalist probably helps, too). Emet-Selch went against that in a time of extreme duress, which is completely understandable and I can't entirely say I wouldn't do the same, but I think still wrong. And incidentally I do love that Omega put forward Hermes when literally nobody else was or would have, Hermes potentially included. Even when learning emotions, Omega's still a logical being first and foremost, so it makes complete sense that they'd put 'well this guy was factually correct, surely that's also valid' on equal standing.

    And honestly, the part of that scene that I most valued: the Watcher is based on the guy from the second Anamnesis recording! Didn't expect him of all people to come back into play, but I'm so happy he did. And answers the very small minority who seemed to think that Venat went against her allies' wishes; he was pretty clearly on board with it all.
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    Last edited by Cleretic; 06-08-2022 at 08:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
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    It's similar to what happened with Emet's Amaurotian simulacra in the Tempest. Creation magic is very precise, so a single stray thought can result in a deviation from what you had originally anticipated. Most of the simulacra lack self-awareness, but the thought 'Hythlodaeus will realize the truth' gave Hyth 2.0 a special insight into the true nature of the place. The same seems to be true of Venat and the Watcher, given that they were close originally.

    I'd really like to know more about his name, his backstory, and what lead him personally to stand up against the rest of his society's decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    I'd really like to know more about his name, his backstory, and what lead him personally to stand up against the rest of his society's decision.
    Ten gil on him being a Tales From the End viewpoint character at some point.
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    It was really fun! Especially because you could say none of them were justified. Good succinct and a firm rebuke to the actions of those three.
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