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    Dimitrii's Avatar
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    Knives Stryfe
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    Quote Originally Posted by KickRox View Post
    It does need a buff. At higher tiers it's success rate is garbage. Any job with a barrier or additional purify mechanism can easily drop Kuzushi or pop barrier within 3 seconds. This means to be effective, they have to be executed one after the other, limitiing the number of targets that it can land on practically. Furthermore, its efficacy in an instance of counter-offensive, which is the purpose of most LBs, enemy team will most likely be at full hp / mp and with any barrier they'll live, and then pump their MP back to full health. not to mention Unless the map is could 9, the cooldown is the longest of any LB. I don't particularly enjoy SAM nor do I use it in ranked matches, so I don't have any bias towards it, for reference sake.

    It should be like Ninja's LB with instant incapacitation
    No it doesnt. The instant KO gimmicks of Zantetsuken, Seiton Tenchu, and Chain Saw should not have even been a thing in the first place. It takes no skill to cheese or get lucky with such abilities and they should have no place in competitive PVP. And on top of having this ridiculous gimmick, Zantetsuken still has a higher potency than DRG LB (24k compared to 20k) and has the added effect of ignoring guard. Dragoons limit break is just as telegraphed if not more than Sam as well. Its near worthless save to save yourself when you feel close to dying and even then the latency issues of the game prevent even that aspect from being reliable. As a damage dealing ability, it will only kill people if you save it for when you burst the enemy into low hp and force them into guard. At that point you can pop the lb and kill them once the guard drops. This is highly predictable and countered. Sam and NIN still have the two best melee limit breaks. There are definitely jobs way worse off than both of those.
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    Kick Rox
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitrii View Post
    No it doesnt. The instant KO gimmicks of Zantetsuken, Seiton Tenchu, and Chain Saw should not have even been a thing in the first place. It takes no skill to cheese or get lucky with such abilities and they should have no place in competitive PVP. And on top of having this ridiculous gimmick, Zantetsuken still has a higher potency than DRG LB (24k compared to 20k) and has the added effect of ignoring guard. Dragoons limit break is just as telegraphed if not more than Sam as well. Its near worthless save to save yourself when you feel close to dying and even then the latency issues of the game prevent even that aspect from being reliable. As a damage dealing ability, it will only kill people if you save it for when you burst the enemy into low hp and force them into guard. At that point you can pop the lb and kill them once the guard drops. This is highly predictable and countered. Sam and NIN still have the two best melee limit breaks. There are definitely jobs way worse off than both of those.
    Chainsaw I agree with. Chance has no place in a skills competition. Not sure what luck/chance has to do with either NIN or SAM LB. There's no RNG involved in either. NIN LB also has essentially 0 impact on a match other than to lock the NIN in animation for 2 seconds if it misses.. That's the point: High risk, High reward. Medium Cooldown. If your hp is 49.99% or below at the moment the NIN LB input reaches SE server, you die, even if your med kit's input hit the server the moment after. If you're calling that "luck" then so is anything to do with server ticks. SAM LB also has no element of RNG involved. So not sure what makes either of them a gimmick. TBH, it sounds like you have trouble identifying when Kuzushi lands on you. I'd recommend enlarging "Status info: enfeeblements" in HUD settings, along with "target info: status", and the size of the enemy party list in the Duty section of HUD layout when you're @ Wolves' Den Pier. You can also focus the SAM and use that to identify when they have Chiten up.
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