SE bans twitch streamers but not actual cheaters?

[kaynide]

I think the person OP is talking about isn't a Eureka bot though. This one sits at Limsa's summoning bell possibly cheating in items.

That’s the thing though, they are >>>possibly<<< cheating. It is extremely unlikely that someone is just sitting their all day every day checking the market board and undercutting items… but it is possible…again however unlikely.

The devs have an innocent until proven guilty stance. There is no way for the devs to determine if that person is just a real weirdo who loves selling stuff, or a bot.

There is no good answer here. Either a) the devs have some kind of cheat detection software which they are against (and indeed can be a huge problem to do in Japan), or b) they start allowing bans for suspicious activity which means truly innocent people will get banned.

The Eureka bots are in a similar situation- unless they are teleporting around or doing something a normal player couldn’t do, there is no way for the GMs to see cheating.

[Xenphir]

That’s the thing though, they are >>>possibly<<< cheating. It is extremely unlikely that someone is just sitting their all day every day checking the market board and undercutting items… but it is possible…again however unlikely.

The devs have an innocent until proven guilty stance. There is no way for the devs to determine if that person is just a real weirdo who loves selling stuff, or a bot.

There is no good answer here. Either a) the devs have some kind of cheat detection software which they are against (and indeed can be a huge problem to do in Japan), or b) they start allowing bans for suspicious activity which means truly innocent people will get banned.

The Eureka bots are in a similar situation- unless they are teleporting around or doing something a normal player couldn’t do, there is no way for the GMs to see cheating.

I ended up reporting them via the lodestone because I had some proof, at least I thought it was the closest thing to it without them admitting to it. I traded with the character, and they did not cancel the trade for 15 minutes. I repeated this a few times, sometimes they'd stick really expensive items in the trade and just leave them there for 15 minutes. They never accepted the trade or anything but any real player would not leave trades open with a random person for so long, repeatedly. Even if it was someone tabbed out, tabbing back in all the time to check retainers, they wouldn't do that.

[kaynide]

I ended up reporting them via the lodestone because I had some proof, at least I thought it was the closest thing to it without them admitting to it. I traded with the character, and they did not cancel the trade for 15 minutes. I repeated this a few times, sometimes they'd stick really expensive items in the trade and just leave them there for 15 minutes. They never accepted the trade or anything but any real player would not leave trades open with a random person for so long, repeatedly. Even if it was someone tabbed out, tabbing back in all the time to check retainers, they wouldn't do that.

I agree super weird, super suspicious..but nothing illegal about doing that.

You did the right thing though by reporting- ideally the GMs can investigate and find something.

[hagare]

any real player would not leave trades open with a random person for so long, repeatedly.

obviously you have never met very dedicated trolls xD

[Xenphir]

obviously you have never met very dedicated trolls xD

I've definitely seen worse, including a stalker of over a year on/off. It would have human qualities still though, such as trading different things or even cancelling the trade at different times. (Like after 10 minutes, 11 minutes, 16 minutes etc.) But it's always the same amount of time down to the second.

[hagare]

I've definitely seen worse, including a stalker of over a year on/off. It would have human qualities still though, such as trading different things or even cancelling the trade at different times. (Like after 10 minutes, 11 minutes, 16 minutes etc.) But it's always the same amount of time down to the second.

honestly, if I get repeated trade requests like that by someone I don't know and I had nothing to do. *shrug*
btw, you do realize you that you just admitted to harassing someone by sending unsolicited trade requests multiple times right?

[Misplaced_Marbles]

That’s the thing though, they are >>>possibly<<< cheating. It is extremely unlikely that someone is just sitting their all day every day checking the market board and undercutting items… but it is possible…again however unlikely.

The devs have an innocent until proven guilty stance. There is no way for the devs to determine if that person is just a real weirdo who loves selling stuff, or a bot.

And when the "weirdo" never sleeps or takes a break, it should be pretty obvious that they're either some new development in human evolution to help some basement dweller make gil, or they're not human at all. But hey, they can just ignore it if they never look into it.

[kaynide]

And when the "weirdo" never sleeps or takes a break, it should be pretty obvious that they're either some new development in human evolution to help some basement dweller make gil, or they're not human at all. But hey, they can just ignore it if they never look into it.

I agree, there should be a way for a GM to make a call that suspicious behavior warrants at the very least a teleport to jail and an interview.

I can't understand why they don't have some kind of step 2 between "Report/investigate" and "judgment/ban" that allows the GMs to actually intervene and ask questions to parties involved.

[BristolRuss]

That’s the thing though, they are >>>possibly<<< cheating. It is extremely unlikely that someone is just sitting their all day every day checking the market board and undercutting items… but it is possible…again however unlikely.

The devs have an innocent until proven guilty stance. There is no way for the devs to determine if that person is just a real weirdo who loves selling stuff, or a bot.

Easy, just drag them into GM gaol and ask them some questions. Any real person will be able to answer no problem, but a bot will expose themselves.

[Kes13a]

Easy, just drag them into GM gaol and ask them some questions. Any real person will be able to answer no problem, but a bot will expose themselves.

GM's are not allowed to do anything against suspected bot activity. in theory, they cannot even check a zone to see if they are operating.