SE bans twitch streamers but not actual cheaters?

[Xenphir]

So most everyone heard of the issues surrounding Twitch streamers getting banned for having mods or additions, but I'd like to make clear this thread isn't to argue over that.

What I want to discuss is why they did, but when a clearly botting/cheating player is reported, nothing has been done?

I reported in-game and on the support website directly to the Task Force but there is one particular cheating player that is still around.

They stand in the same spot, never moving even a pixel, for MONTHS. They only log off when, assuming here, they shut their computer off to sleep. This character is online from morning to night, same spot, checking the summoning bell and doing nothing else but undercutting all day. For months straight. They have done it so long that I've actually been able to pinpoint the names of their retainers because they disappear from the MB when they check the bell, every time.

They are either using some program to automate the process of checking retainers and undercutting or they are a bot account. I reported them first a few weeks ago, and again just last week. Still, nothing has been done at all.

I should also note they have several of EACH late game item above 7-10m Gil. Which seems unrealistic since the character doesn't have much leveled and has clearly been level skipped.

[hagare]

[Elspethine]

I think I know who you mean and I've seen them. I've reported them too but the GM's don't do anything. It's like they don't care. They are busy sure; but if it's been weeks, I don't think they'll ever do it.

[Raoabolic]

The streamers were an example for the masses. The bots don't care though since even if they get yeet'd they can easily prop up their operation again thanks to the story/level skip that plops them right back into eureka. A new account and sub time isn't that difficult to obtain considering the price of gil and the amount of buyers.

[Elspethine]

The streamers were an example for the masses. The bots don't care though since even if they get yeet'd they can easily prop up their operation again thanks to the story/level skip that plops them right back into eureka. A new account and sub time isn't that difficult to obtain considering the price of gil and the amount of buyers.

I think the person OP is talking about isn't a Eureka bot though. This one sits at Limsa's summoning bell possibly cheating in items.

[ameliaw]

There's some people like this in my server too. It is gross that we had this addon witchhunt while players like this, that are way more damaging to the game, get no consequences

[Xenphir]

Yeah it was in reference to players using these more dangerous bots. I don't think besides the mass bans every Thursday, that there can be much done about the level skip/farming bots. But this one is more closely affecting players and is probably most likely one player who found a way to cheat, than a mass-bot producing person.

[kaynide]

I think the person OP is talking about isn't a Eureka bot though. This one sits at Limsa's summoning bell possibly cheating in items.

That’s the thing though, they are >>>possibly<<< cheating. It is extremely unlikely that someone is just sitting their all day every day checking the market board and undercutting items… but it is possible…again however unlikely.

The devs have an innocent until proven guilty stance. There is no way for the devs to determine if that person is just a real weirdo who loves selling stuff, or a bot.

There is no good answer here. Either a) the devs have some kind of cheat detection software which they are against (and indeed can be a huge problem to do in Japan), or b) they start allowing bans for suspicious activity which means truly innocent people will get banned.

The Eureka bots are in a similar situation- unless they are teleporting around or doing something a normal player couldn’t do, there is no way for the GMs to see cheating.

[Bunnycake]

We have one out here in my server, well probably two.

[Xenphir]

That’s the thing though, they are >>>possibly<<< cheating. It is extremely unlikely that someone is just sitting their all day every day checking the market board and undercutting items… but it is possible…again however unlikely.

The devs have an innocent until proven guilty stance. There is no way for the devs to determine if that person is just a real weirdo who loves selling stuff, or a bot.

There is no good answer here. Either a) the devs have some kind of cheat detection software which they are against (and indeed can be a huge problem to do in Japan), or b) they start allowing bans for suspicious activity which means truly innocent people will get banned.

The Eureka bots are in a similar situation- unless they are teleporting around or doing something a normal player couldn’t do, there is no way for the GMs to see cheating.

I ended up reporting them via the lodestone because I had some proof, at least I thought it was the closest thing to it without them admitting to it. I traded with the character, and they did not cancel the trade for 15 minutes. I repeated this a few times, sometimes they'd stick really expensive items in the trade and just leave them there for 15 minutes. They never accepted the trade or anything but any real player would not leave trades open with a random person for so long, repeatedly. Even if it was someone tabbed out, tabbing back in all the time to check retainers, they wouldn't do that.