Watching Gaming Kinda with Xenos about housing

[Yodada]

Yes, these plots absolutely should be freed up and made vacant, especially on those that have multiple wards. There is no excuse.


It's just a shame that they're too scared to step on players' toes.

And then what? Freeing maybe 40-50 Houses per Server for a demand which is likely higher then several thousands? Yeah, this will help to get everyone a house. Jeez I swear to god people need to use at least one braincell just for the sake of their own sanity. Nothing will help except an dramatic increase in additional wards. Nothing. Not getting rid of "Hoarders", "Shell-FCs" etc. Only new Servers will help to lower the pressure on the housing issue.

[Irenia]

And then what? Freeing maybe 40-50 Houses per Server for a demand which is likely higher then several thousands? Yeah, this will help to get everyone a house. Jeez I swear to god people need to use at least one braincell just for the sake of their own sanity. Nothing will help except an dramatic increase in additional wards. Nothing. Not getting rid of "Hoarders", "Shell-FCs" etc. Only new Servers will help to lower the pressure on the housing issue.

This is a good point. I get wanting to punish those who gamed the system and got grandfathered into multiple houses, but putting in the effort to fix that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the demand. Basically, it'd be a PR move that would make us feel good and not much else.

The issue is that given they put all this effort into a lottery system signals that developing a 1 to 1 instance housing system would take too long to show results to work, outside of a side project that won't really get in the way of patch release content.

Hah, given this sad state of affairs, perhaps some PR would be nice, but that feeling of satisfaction wouldn't last long.

[Kaurhz]

And then what? Freeing maybe 40-50 Houses per Server for a demand which is likely higher then several thousands? Yeah, this will help to get everyone a house. Jeez I swear to god people need to use at least one braincell just for the sake of their own sanity. Nothing will help except an dramatic increase in additional wards. Nothing. Not getting rid of "Hoarders", "Shell-FCs" etc. Only new Servers will help to lower the pressure on the housing issue.

Or you yourself can exercise a brain cell and see that what many players do only aims to compound the issue, quite significantly so, especially under the current constraint of FC : Private

It is hardly about ensuring everyone has access to a house and more about ensuring that measures are taken to prevent the misuse of the system and compounding the issue even further than it already is.

I'm sorry but if an individual or a group of individuals accounts for a portion of multiplot owners, especially in the case with a certain 2 FCs on this server accounting for 90 plots between the two. Regardless of how you want to try and dress this up or rationalize it; it is still a clear problem, much so that they have had to introduce countermeasures to prevent the issue from compounding even more.

Under their current system with instancing housing, there is always going to be a degree of hard-limitation on plot availability, so it isn't really just a matter of simply adding wards and calling it a day. As much as I wish this were the case, it isn't. So yes, I do firmly stand by the point that people should not have grandfathered plots, especially under the abysmal system. -- All they will continue to do is attempt to dissuade these would-be multi-plot owners by introducing systems that arguably become more of an inconvenience to actual players trying to obtain a plot. It's an abysmal feature that people are required to wait 30 days from their FC creation to even attempt getting a house, and this is a feature simply because people want to engage either in RMT of FC plots, and because they wish to hoard.

This is a good point. I get wanting to punish those who gamed the system and got grandfathered into multiple houses, but putting in the effort to fix that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the demand. Basically, it'd be a PR move that would make us feel good and not much else.

The issue is that given they put all this effort into a lottery system signals that developing a 1 to 1 instance housing system would take too long to show results to work, outside of a side project that won't really get in the way of patch release content.

Hah, given this sad state of affairs, perhaps some PR would be nice, but that feeling of satisfaction wouldn't last long.

The problem is not necessarily related to just increasing the demand as that is without saying a small availability in the overall sum of things, but it shouldn't be a behaviour that is allowed to fester simply because of their lack of desire for stepping on players' toes for behaviour that arguably they dislike based on their trends with introducing systems.

To put it into perspective, whilst people see this as an acceptable thing to do they shall continue to attempt to find new ways to skirt these systems, be it through just more inconvenient measures of obtaining a house, or simply playing the long game with buying and waiting. The actual issue only comes with the fact that they deal with this behaviour by indirectly addressing it by introducing systems that are an inconvenience to players or a group of players.

Why should an FC be required to wait 30 days post-creation, or post-invitation to FC in order to stand a chance in purchasing a plot? I can certainly tell you this system was introduced precisely because of some of the methods people go about for buying multiple FC plots.

[Stormpeaks]

It is and you're exposing yourself pretty hard here.

I do not have entire wards no, neither am I exposing myself, however as I mentioned above, buying another account to buy more houses is not abuse in any way, nor an exploit.

[DixieBellOCE]

These players that obtain entire wards, are easily able to abuse airship and submersible missions to funnel GIL into blackmarkets.

What do you think all those 'legitimate gold' websites advertise?

The system was clearly intended for one person to have 1 house, Any player caught circumventing that system, whether its buying multiple accounts or being grandfathered in from older systems should 100% be forced to choose which house they want to keep, and be refunded the base cost of the other houses.

It is not, in any way, shape or form, intended for a player to own more than a single personal or FC house.

[Stormpeaks]

These players that obtain entire wards, are easily able to abuse airship and submersible missions to funnel GIL into blackmarkets.

What do you think all those 'legitimate gold' websites advertise?

The system was clearly intended for one person to have 1 house, Any player caught circumventing that system, whether its buying multiple accounts or being grandfathered in from older systems should 100% be forced to choose which house they want to keep, and be refunded the base cost of the other houses.

It is not, in any way, shape or form, intended for a player to own more than a single personal or FC house.

Exactly, and that is the reason why they are on a different account, if it was not them, it would be someone else, a new account is technically a different person.

[LaylaTsarra]

Curious is it ok to own houses on different servers or is that a no no too? We have been allowed to do that and still can. They didn't change those rule for this go around either? Are you going to take those away too?

[Azuri]

Are you really expecting SE to prohibit owning multiple accounts and paying them multiple subs?

[ACE135]

Imagine getting punished for something that wasn't forbidden at the time you did it.

[Raoabolic]

Imagine getting punished for something that wasn't forbidden at the time you did it.

*looks back on human history*
*sweats profusely*