Endwalker is the most controversial expansion

[Theodric]

So your argument is "it is because it is"? You have absolutely nothing to contribute to your ramblings. Nothing. What is "tasteful" has been defined by culture since the beginning of times, so tell me how your idea of "good art" is better than someone's that was born in a whole different culture, from a different continent. Your ridiculous idea falls flat when a good number of musicians and painters were shunned and spat at for daring to do something different than the norm.

Where did Endwalker dare to do anything 'different to the norm', exactly? It embraced so many of the dullest tropes in existence such as 'rules for thee, but not for me', 'genocide is okay when a pretty lady does it' and 'character is dead but literally minutes later is brought back to life'. All alongside plenty of flashy and very impressive backdrops that, ultimately, amounted to very little of consequence.

The fall of Dalamud ended up leaving deeper scars upon the land than the so called second coming of the literal apocalypse. The only lasting consequences in Endwalker are, conveniently, inflicted upon antagonists and very minor throwaway characters of little relevance in the grand scheme of things.

[Anura]

Where did Endwalker dare to do anything 'different to the norm', exactly? It embraced so many of the dullest tropes in existence such as 'rules for thee, but not for me', 'genocide is okay when a pretty lady does it' and 'character is dead but literally minutes later is brought back to life'. All alongside plenty of flashy and very impressive backdrops that, ultimately, amounted to very little of consequence.

The fall of Dalamud ended up leaving deeper scars upon the land than the so called second coming of the literal apocalypse. The only lasting consequences in Endwalker are, conveniently, inflicted upon antagonists and very minor throwaway characters of little relevance in the grand scheme of things.

I never said it did. My point is clearly about art being objective or not. Everything is perceived differently throughout history. Even Tchaikovsky was shunned by fellow russians. These days, he is one of the most glorified musicians of the period. An opinion shared by russians, from a different time. What changed? His pieces or how people look at it? I liked the story, you didn't. We're cool. Spouting nonsense about how there's an "objective" view of a form of expression is ludicrous, however.

It was never that deep. You accuse me of rambling when in fact it's exactly what you're doing. If we're going to diminish every argument to asking questions about culture since the dawn of times we're never gonna get to the point - it's pure sophistry. Let's focus on what we have now, which is not good. Oh and by the way, it's us who revived those shunned artists and musicians still, it was us who decided they were good in the end, so I don't see why would you bring that up. Unless you're trying to say that EW's story is a hidden gem and people are just too dumb and don't get it. If you are - please do not reply.

Please make an objective comparison between Samba and Heavy Metal to me. Which one is better? Or maybe you could tell me which is better between Les Miserábles and The Three Musketeers. Or maybe you could point to the better author between von Goethe and John Milton. As of now, you haven't made a single argument in favour of objective art. You're pointing fingers and nothing else. Prove to me that art is objective and leave the "it comes with experience" out of it, it proves nothing. Come, be objective.

[Theox]

Please make an objective comparison between Samba and Heavy Metal to me. Which one is better? Or maybe you could tell me which is better between Les Miserábles and The Three Musketeers. Or maybe you could point to the better author between von Goethe and John Milton. As of now, you haven't made a single argument in favour of objective art. You're pointing fingers and nothing else. Prove to me that art is objective and leave the "it comes with experience" out of it, it proves nothing. Come, be objective.

These comparisons are not valid. Comparing endwalker to previous expansions would be more of a "devil wears prada" vs "the red and the black". Goethe, Dumas and others you tried to compare are all praised for their work because of the print it left in history. You cannot seriously discuss profound literary geniuses in the same category with a niche video game. Stop being disingenuous and superficial. Be more objective in your comparisons.