Can we stop punishing shield healers for playing together?

[IceBlueNinja]

Imagine if WHM had a spell that was instant cast, cost 0 MP, dealt 1000 potency damage, and healed the party for 1000 potency, applied a 500 potency HoT for 1 minute, and applied a shield worth 200% of the initial heal. Well that doesn't exist, much like the ability to spread Differential diagnosis. So yeah, Deployment Crit Adlo is still superior to Zoe + E. Prognosis.

A good SGE doesn't use barriers in 95% of circumstances regardless of whether they're paired with a SCH or not.

A person can play a job how they feel to and does not have to please entitled people. It is not about being a good or bad person at the job smh. You cant tell someone to use or not use something. pani and hani stacks with e prog or e diag and give a burst heal of any remain stack which makes it still better than the so call crit alco. Who complaints about free heals anyways? The burst heals from pan and hami can be a life saver if well timed.

Also a good sch will learn to shield and not wait until damage already happen which most of them tend to do.

Also finally Ill take instant shield casting vs time casting shields and have access to my skills and not be locked out of them for using a clunky pet. Ill go far to say i rather play clunky whm or take one as a co healer over sch cause if you cant tell I dont like sch period.

[ty_taurus]

A person can play a job how they feel to and does not have to please entitled people. It is not about being a good or bad person at the job smh. You cant tell someone to use or not use something. pani and hani stacks with e prog or e diag and give a burst heal of any remain stack which makes it still better than the so call crit alco. Who complaints about free heals anyways? The burst heals from pan and hami can be a life saver if well timed.

Also a good sch will learn to shield and not wait until damage already happen which most of them tend to do.

Also finally Ill take instant shield casting vs time casting shields and have access to my skills and not be locked out of them for using a clunky pet. Ill go far to say i rather play clunky whm or take one as a co healer over sch cause if you cant tell I dont like sch period.

Haima and Panhaima aren't a part of the discussion though as they have no bearing on E. Diagnosis or E. Prognosis. If they only worked on targets with E. Diag/E. Prog, that would be a different story, but they don't. You can still apply them after a SCH has used Deployment Crit Adlo if needed.

I'm not trying to say that everyone MUST perform optimally or not at all, but we're talking about whether or not something is a problem in regards to the lack of barrier stackability between Adloquium/Succor and E. Diagnosis/E. Prognosis, and my point is that it's not a problem because these barrier heals are largely irrelevant. What would be a problem would be if Biolysis and E. Dosis III didn't stack, because that would severely impact a very important part of SCH's and SGE's performance. But with barriers, you don't have to use them and realistically shouldn't need to especially in casual content. Any actual use of barriers is almost entirely superfluous and unnecessary, so you're not actually losing something if you and your cohealer are overwriting each others barriers--at least, not losing something as a result of that interaction. What is being lost is a result of poor decision-making on the part of the healers for using those heals in the first place, but even that doesn't really matter because optimization isn't a requirement.

And the thing is, if you're not interested in optimization, why does it matter anyway? Who cares whether or not the barriers stack if your goal is to just not care about performance and play the way you want? It's not going to kill your party and it's not going to force you to play your job any differently than you want to. Use your E. Prognosis anyway and ignore the lack of stackablility because it's not going to affect you regardless. If you care because you want perform better, then the answer is to stop using E. Prognosis outside of incredibly niche situations and let your SCH cohealer perform group barrier responsibilities if it's actually needed.

[IceBlueNinja]

Haima and Panhaima aren't a part of the discussion though as they have no bearing on E. Diagnosis or E. Prognosis. If they only worked on targets with E. Diag/E. Prog, that would be a different story, but they don't. You can still apply them after a SCH has used Deployment Crit Adlo if needed.

I'm not trying to say that everyone MUST perform optimally or not at all, but we're talking about whether or not something is a problem in regards to the lack of barrier stackability between Adloquium/Succor and E. Diagnosis/E. Prognosis, and my point is that it's not a problem because these barrier heals are largely irrelevant. What would be a problem would be if Biolysis and E. Dosis III didn't stack, because that would severely impact a very important part of SCH's and SGE's performance. But with barriers, you don't have to use them and realistically shouldn't need to especially in casual content. Any actual use of barriers is almost entirely superfluous and unnecessary, so you're not actually losing something if you and your cohealer are overwriting each others barriers--at least, not losing something as a result of that interaction. What is being lost is a result of poor decision-making on the part of the healers for using those heals in the first place, but even that doesn't really matter because optimization isn't a requirement.

And the thing is, if you're not interested in optimization, why does it matter anyway? Who cares whether or not the barriers stack if your goal is to just not care about performance and play the way you want? It's not going to kill your party and it's not going to force you to play your job any differently than you want to. Use your E. Prognosis anyway and ignore the lack of stackablility because it's not going to affect you regardless. If you care because you want perform better, then the answer is to stop using E. Prognosis outside of incredibly niche situations and let your SCH cohealer perform group barrier responsibilities if it's actually needed.

I handle my healing well and have 0 complaints from anyone friends or even randoms never seem to complain about my healing play style. Also fyi I use E diag far more than E prog and barely use E prog or not at all because kera/ixo and physis is very busted and takes care of any damage easily , am just stating people over rate that deploy crit alco way too much than is necessary to E prog comparison overall single shield wise sage wins even if party shield wise sch wins. Big deal.