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    Akaza_Renn's Avatar
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    Renn Akaza
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    "No bias" is not something you can simply prove by saying so

    You know what I mean, that doesn't look like a no-bias change at all. Even if you don't have any bias in your mind while doing the changes, it's still simply unfair that a player of one certain job can have a much higher volume & extremely more efficient ways to give feedback or even suggestions. BTW BLM is also the only job left in PvE that doesn't need to strictly follow a 120s rotation, what makes it so different?
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    BLM was incredibly niche prior to the buffs and stupid easy to kill. Post buffs outside of the LB its still stupid easy to kill them. BLM desperately needed buffs, so no it wasn't a biased update. The problem is the pure solo queue with no chat features means most people just do their own thing and don't coordinate. Prior to the patch most people just ignored BLM because they were not a threat. Post patch people still ignore the free casting BLM, but now its a threat so they just complain instead. Literally anyone with a brain can realize all they need to do is dive the BLM and they will never be a threat.
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    Wise Fuchsia
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    BLM should have most of its damage moved behind Fire and Ice dmg and duration should be nerfed.
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    Nerf is incoming, so hold your horse there.

    According to the statement, BLM has the lowest usage and win rates across all player categories even after 6.11 patch which leads YoshiP to investigate the problem himself, but the patch was already sent off before they could make adjustments.
    It makes a lot of sense considering the amount of buffs BLM recieved in 6.11a.

    If that indicates anything, it would be that they made BLM too hard to play, and too weak to even worth the time, which shows that they don’t have any bias whatsoever.
    However, YoshiP also said that BLM (after 6.11) has more than enough potential to excel in the hands of skilled PVP combatants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    BLM was incredibly niche prior to the buffs and stupid easy to kill. Post buffs outside of the LB its still stupid easy to kill them. BLM desperately needed buffs, so no it wasn't a biased update. The problem is the pure solo queue with no chat features means most people just do their own thing and don't coordinate. Prior to the patch most people just ignored BLM because they were not a threat. Post patch people still ignore the free casting BLM, but now its a threat so they just complain instead. Literally anyone with a brain can realize all they need to do is dive the BLM and they will never be a threat.
    This patch brought tears to my eyes though when the WAR in my team used "covering Black Mage" quick chat during team fights, used everything to keep MNK and NIN off me while both healers in my team stick close to me and protect my rear and flank.

    People used to completely ignore me, even if im raining down spells on their heads or get constantly jumped on by a pesky MNK or a NIN. Now they are trying to protect me whenever they can....... weird, but a great feeling.
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    Last edited by Lymberey; 05-28-2022 at 01:40 AM.
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    Kyu-Momo's Avatar
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    I for one, am glad that the dev team actually bothers to explain their reasoning and tell us what their plans are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyu-Momo View Post
    I for one, am glad that the dev team actually bothers to explain their reasoning and tell us what their plans are.
    Yeah….for black mage. Where is this communication with healers?
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    At Op, dude read the whole post before you complain... they are reverting some of the changes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneSwordz View Post
    At Op, dude read the whole post before you complain... they are reverting some of the changes...
    In 6.15 or 6.18 down the road. Maybe.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Player Gserpent's Avatar
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    Maduin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lymberey View Post
    Nerf is incoming, so hold your horse there.

    According to the statement, BLM has the lowest usage and win rates across all player categories even after 6.11 patch which leads YoshiP to investigate the problem himself, but the patch was already sent off before they could make adjustments.
    It makes a lot of sense considering the amount of buffs BLM recieved in 6.11a.

    If that indicates anything, it would be that they made BLM too hard to play, and too weak to even worth the time, which shows that they don’t have any bias whatsoever.
    However, YoshiP also said that BLM (after 6.11) has more than enough potential to excel in the hands of skilled PVP combatants.
    To paraphrase a friend, the BLM changes feel like the decisions were delegated to someone with not much experience dealing with competitive games. If you're aiming for a *balanced* game, you make changes iteratively - changes tend to be small, but frequent. Make a series of small adjustments, evaluate, repeat.

    In this case, we know that the 6.11 changes were *probably* not quite enough for BLM. So it needed more. I think they should have pushed through the cast time changes, added the second charge of Paradox, and then waited to see how that affects things. No changes to potency whatsoever. Don't add the Heavy to Night Wing. Don't add DR to the ult. BLM after 6.11 was plenty strong, but it almost certainly had the highest skill floor of any class. Reducing the cast times would substantially lower that floor, which may have been the only change needed. If not, then you can take another step and try boosting potency or adding the DR or whatever and evaluate again.

    The BLM changes are all pretty good, the issue is that they happened *all at once* instead of in phases. That makes me think the person behind them may not have a lot of experience in balancing competitive environments.
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    Player Gserpent's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Yeah….for black mage. Where is this communication with healers?
    In PvP or PvE? They already told us that we should go play ultimates if we want to have actual fun playing healers in PvE :P
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