Just remove healers.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Coming from someone who thinks pedantry makes them clever...

Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.

[ThorneDynasty]

Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.

It's this part what I was responding to:

What do you want ? Allowing a samourai to heal wound by cutting with his sword in the butt of his comrades ? Or allow Warrior to just make you a hug that will most likely destroy your bones instead of putting everything to place ?

Does healing with your samurai blade break job fantasies? Well, too bad, that's been in the game for a while.

As for current balance, no, you can't obviously do that in savage. You could absolutely rebalance the game not to require the healers though, and it would be a lot easier to do than turning the game into something where the strict trinity type of thinking makes sense. Literally deleting all the healer jobs is obviously a satiric criticism of the developers disinterest in the entire role, but unironically the healers should not be framed as a pure healing role because it isn't. It's a support DPS with really crappy DPS rotations.

[Semirhage]

Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

Second Wind and bloodbath don't replace healer, they support them at most and allow you to survive if they fucked up (And that's somewhat rare, because second wind doesn't heal really that much).

Some class got "heal", yeah, but that doesn't make it strong enough to replace completely a healer, it's support at most.

By the way, if you wish to delete healer, you'll have to redesign every single fight of the game. Not gonna happen.

Fun fact, one of the current savage fights has been cleared with no healer. When it was current. Not with echo, not outgeared.

Healers aren't quite "useless" yet, but they're as close to it as they've ever been. FFXIV is barely a trinity game. DPS as a metric matters far, far, far more than the other two trinity roles. Healers cast their boring damage spam hundreds of times in any given savage floor.

[ForteNightshade]

Then try to clear savage without heal, go ahead, we watch you.

- Every single fight this tier has been solo healed in i580 crafted gear. Yes, even P4S.
- P1S and P2S have been cleared with only tanks. Clearing with DPS and Tank would be even easier.

This is the highest level content excluding Ultimate. Anything below that you don't need a healer whatsoever. Dungeons? Even DRK has cleared all of them with three DPS. EX? They were killed the first week of Endwalker without healers. At the current junction, healers only exist for inexperienced players not to struggle, and two healers are only taken into Savage at the midcore level or higher because of FFlogs enforcing it. In order to parse on the standard ranking, you need a 2/2/4. comp Were that to ever change, every midcore group and above would eventually be running five DPS.

With all that said, do I think healers should be removed? No. There is clearly a large enough portion of the playerbase that enjoys the style of gameplay they're supposed fulfill. The issue is the dev team is so afraid little Timmy or Sally might struggle, they continue to design everything around the lowest common denominator. Not your average raider who, while lacking experience, is still a decent play; a green parser if you will. No, it's the person who can barely handle simple mechanics and usually dies once a pull. That's who they're catering content to. And it's why healing suffers so much in this game. If you're average, you're already playing above expectation.

[Ransu]

- Every single fight this tier has been solo healed in i580 crafted gear. Yes, even P4S.
- P1S and P2S have been cleared with only tanks. Clearing with DPS and Tank would be even easier.

This is the highest level content excluding Ultimate. Anything below that you don't need a healer whatsoever. Dungeons? Even DRK has cleared all of them with three DPS. EX? They were killed the first week of Endwalker without healers. At the current junction, healers only exist for inexperienced players not to struggle, and two healers are only taken into Savage at the midcore level or higher because of FFlogs enforcing it. In order to parse on the standard ranking, you need a 2/2/4. comp Were that to ever change, every midcore group and above would eventually be running five DPS.

With all that said, do I think healers should be removed? No. There is clearly a large enough portion of the playerbase that enjoys the style of gameplay they're supposed fulfill. The issue is the dev team is so afraid little Timmy or Sally might struggle, they continue to design everything around the lowest common denominator. Not your average raider who, while lacking experience, is still a decent play; a green parser if you will. No, it's the person who can barely handle simple mechanics and usually dies once a pull. That's who they're catering content to. And it's why healing suffers so much in this game. If you're average, you're already playing above expectation.

Then maybe they should solve the real problem? Tanks defensive skills should have nothing but damage mitigation tools, not a bunch of self healing tools.

[Azuri]

Then maybe they should solve the real problem? Tanks defensive skills should have nothing but damage mitigation tools, not a bunch of self healing tools.

But little Timmy is going to have an anxiety attack!11!

[Silver-Strider]

Then maybe they should solve the real problem? Tanks defensive skills should have nothing but damage mitigation tools, not a bunch of self healing tools.

SE's design for Tanks and Healers is pretty much awful.
While Tanks have proper rotations and are engaging enough to play, their mitigation styles are largely the same, which is mitigation+self heals. I could understand 1 Tank that can heal itself and 1 tank that heals thru doing damage but that's the design on every tank really and it's uninspired. Can't we have a Tank that is about debuffing the enemy to deal less damage or a tank that mitigates via Block/Parry with CDs that help to make those tools more effective? How about a Tank that has skills that allow it to dodge attacks, like NIN tanks in FXI?

I don't mind Tanks having self healing, they have to clear solo content too after all and self heals help with that, but they've gone overboard with Tank's self sustain in all regards.